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Title: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: THRAWN on November 07, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
It's been a year since this discussion: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=23676.20;topicseen

OldGuy, what are the latest stats?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Holding Pattern on November 07, 2019, 05:59:31 PM
Due to recent events, the data involved there is no longer viable.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Holding Pattern on November 07, 2019, 06:03:48 PM
That said, my understanding is that his new squadron broke several recruitment records recently with his as one of the spokes of the plan.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Eclipse on November 07, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
So no then...
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: THRAWN on November 07, 2019, 07:16:25 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
So no then...

But it is the best thing since Texas Pete packets...
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: OldGuy on November 07, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
So no then...
Wrong. I moved from that unit and my new unit has been setting records month after month. We have, since late July, processed over 21 "applications" (leads) and are starting to see membership applications from same. A strong, focussed social media strategy that integrates into a more traditional, in person (open houses, civic clubs, etc) process pays dividends.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: THRAWN on November 07, 2019, 08:59:08 PM
Quote from: OldGuy on November 07, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
So no then...
Wrong. I moved from that unit and my new unit has been setting records month after month. We have, since late July, processed over 21 "applications" (leads) and are starting to see membership applications from same. A strong, focussed social media strategy that integrates into a more traditional, in person (open houses, civic clubs, etc) process pays dividends.

Super. So before you left the old unit, how many of the 4 that came on that started this whole caper, were still there? How many of those 21 "leads" at the new unit have joined and completed Level 1?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: OldGuy on November 07, 2019, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on November 07, 2019, 08:59:08 PM
Quote from: OldGuy on November 07, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
So no then...
Wrong. I moved from that unit and my new unit has been setting records month after month. We have, since late July, processed over 21 "applications" (leads) and are starting to see membership applications from same. A strong, focussed social media strategy that integrates into a more traditional, in person (open houses, civic clubs, etc) process pays dividends.

Super. So before you left the old unit, how many of the 4 that came on that started this whole caper, were still there? How many of those 21 "leads" at the new unit have joined and completed Level 1?
My recollection is that all four are still CAP members, at least two have changed units though. The very first of the 21 leads are going through the process now, but the reality is it works.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 01:19:51 AM
Quote from: OldGuy on November 07, 2019, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on November 07, 2019, 08:59:08 PM
Quote from: OldGuy on November 07, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 07, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
So no then...
Wrong. I moved from that unit and my new unit has been setting records month after month. We have, since late July, processed over 21 "applications" (leads) and are starting to see membership applications from same. A strong, focussed social media strategy that integrates into a more traditional, in person (open houses, civic clubs, etc) process pays dividends.

Super. So before you left the old unit, how many of the 4 that came on that started this whole caper, were still there? How many of those 21 "leads" at the new unit have joined and completed Level 1?
My recollection is that all four are still CAP members, at least two have changed units though. The very first of the 21 leads are going through the process now, but the reality is it works.
I looked, the new unit is up 14% since the start of the FB campaign. Pretty good, no?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:09:28 AM
Quote from: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 01:19:51 AM
I looked, the new unit is up 14% since the start of the FB campaign. Pretty good, no?

It what context? Is 14% one member?  Is it 10?

And what evidence is there that the growth is attributable or different from happenstance?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 02:13:59 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:09:28 AM
Quote from: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 01:19:51 AM
I looked, the new unit is up 14% since the start of the FB campaign. Pretty good, no?

It what context? Is 14% one member?  Is it 10?

And what evidence is there that the growth is attributable or different from happenstance?
Membership was 100, now is 114. As for "evidence", you tell me - when has "happenstance" achieved a 14 member growth in one quarter in your unit? BTW, I really do not care what you do in your unit, I know what works for us and we are doing it - and winning. Capice?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:35:51 AM
It's "Capisce".

You can stand on a corner with a bullhorn and give away free avocados with a new membership for all anyone cares, but when you want to make an
argument that a given plan or program produces results, you need to provide more evidence then "well it seems that way".

Correlation does not imply causation.

Just about any decent air show or recruiting booth can produce those types of numbers, and I will continue to assert
that fake job ads are a deceptive practice and counterproductive.

21 Leads with maybe one conversion isn't exactly a success story.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:35:51 AM
21 Leads with maybe one conversion isn't exactly a success story.
How many leads are you managing? What was your growth rate in members over the last 90 days?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 03:04:06 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:35:51 AM
... and I will continue to assert that fake job ads are a deceptive practice and counterproductive.
What is "fake" about advertising a volunteer position? And in what odd world would getting the word out that we want volunteers "counter-productive"?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 03:07:23 AM
Quote from: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:35:51 AM
21 Leads with maybe one conversion isn't exactly a success story.
How many leads are you managing? What was your growth rate in members over the last 90 days?

I'm long past recruiting at the unit level, thank you, and since you seem to be missing the point, and have a bit of
a 'tude about a unit you're not even in, I think you can have this conversation with others.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 03:07:34 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 02:35:51 AM
It's "Capisce".
Nope. It is an Americanism, and both spellings are as correct as the other. In Italian it would be capisci , but who cares?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: JohhnyD on November 10, 2019, 03:08:34 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 10, 2019, 03:07:23 AM
I'm long past recruiting at the unit level, thank you, ...
So you just want to play sidewalk super while others do the work. Got it. No thanks.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: etodd on November 10, 2019, 04:14:57 AM
Why always the naysayers here? Can't some of you at least ONCE say "Good job, keep up the good work!" ... instead of jumping on a member for not having positive proof and data.  Why do YOU need their data? If its working for them ... CELEBRATE with them. Why be THAT person EVERY single time?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: PHall on November 10, 2019, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: etodd on November 10, 2019, 04:14:57 AM
Why always the naysayers here? Can't some of you at least ONCE say "Good job, keep up the good work!" ... instead of jumping on a member for not having positive proof and data.  Why do YOU need their data? If its working for them ... CELEBRATE with them. Why be THAT person EVERY single time?

We kinda like people to back up their claims, especially when they seem to be outside the normal range.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: etodd on November 10, 2019, 04:42:26 AM
Quote from: PHall on November 10, 2019, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: etodd on November 10, 2019, 04:14:57 AM
Why always the naysayers here? Can't some of you at least ONCE say "Good job, keep up the good work!" ... instead of jumping on a member for not having positive proof and data.  Why do YOU need their data? If its working for them ... CELEBRATE with them. Why be THAT person EVERY single time?

We kinda like people to back up their claims, especially when they seem to be outside the normal range.

If someone was trying to implement something CAP wide, sure. But when someone is just excited over what happened in their little corner of the world, then no. It's just the usual naysayers who for whatever reason, enjoy chopping happy people down. It's sad, just sad. Pathetic even. Not the kind of people to invite to a party.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: OldGuy on November 10, 2019, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 10, 2019, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: etodd on November 10, 2019, 04:14:57 AM
Why always the naysayers here? Can't some of you at least ONCE say "Good job, keep up the good work!" ... instead of jumping on a member for not having positive proof and data.  Why do YOU need their data? If its working for them ... CELEBRATE with them. Why be THAT person EVERY single time?

We kinda like people to back up their claims, especially when they seem to be outside the normal range.
OK, how? Screenshots? And why? Why not use that basic core value called RESPECT and treat people as if they are telling the truth? Who appoints this special "CAPTalk" truth squad? Do you get special, secret code books?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: PHall on November 10, 2019, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: OldGuy on November 10, 2019, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 10, 2019, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: etodd on November 10, 2019, 04:14:57 AM
Why always the naysayers here? Can't some of you at least ONCE say "Good job, keep up the good work!" ... instead of jumping on a member for not having positive proof and data.  Why do YOU need their data? If its working for them ... CELEBRATE with them. Why be THAT person EVERY single time?

We kinda like people to back up their claims, especially when they seem to be outside the normal range.
OK, how? Screenshots? And why? Why not use that basic core value called RESPECT and treat people as if they are telling the truth? Who appoints this special "CAPTalk" truth squad? Do you get special, secret code books?

So what's wrong with asking them to use another Core Value, Integrity?  Or does one trump another?
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: etodd on November 10, 2019, 09:04:15 PM
In case it got lost again on page one, I'll repeat it on page two.  When someone is just excited over what happened in their little corner of the world, why not be happy for them? It's just the usual naysayers who for whatever reason, enjoy chopping happy people down. Cannot stand to see others happy.  It's sad, just sad. Pathetic even. Not the kind of people to invite to a party.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: Gunsotsu on November 10, 2019, 09:11:59 PM
"WE'RE DOING THE BEST THING EVER FOR US AND IT'S SO SUCCESSFUL!!!!" is an easy claim to make when you don't share it with the order. Maybe it's true, but if this is so, keeping the lessons learned from that success from the organization as a whole is selfish and very much not in keeping with the core values. Anyone claiming that they've got the best thing since sliced bread that doesn't share that information freely is either ignorant to their failures or drunk on their success.
Title: Re: Facebook Recruiting Box Scores-REDUX
Post by: ßτε on November 10, 2019, 09:14:09 PM
I think we are done here.