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General Discussion => The Lobby => Topic started by: Sgt. Savage on May 21, 2007, 04:54:16 PM

Title: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: Sgt. Savage on May 21, 2007, 04:54:16 PM
I found myself doing some research today and ran across a number of links between the CAP and Oswald, including that David H Byrd owned the school book depository.

Has anyone else read about the connections between Oswald and CAP?
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: mikeylikey on May 21, 2007, 04:54:59 PM
I think it happened in 1963
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: arajca on May 21, 2007, 05:00:10 PM
Yep. It's been discussed on several CAP forums, including here.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: LtCol White on May 21, 2007, 05:24:27 PM
Oswald was a cadet here in the LA Wing with the Eastbank Composite Sq.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: alexalvarez on May 21, 2007, 05:30:59 PM
Could you tell me more about David H. Byrd. Who was David H. Byrd?
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: Sgt. Savage on May 21, 2007, 05:38:08 PM
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/BB/fby13.html (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/BB/fby13.html)

This link will give you a bit of history on Byrd. He was one of "our" founders and his relationship to the School Book Depository makes the whole conspiracy thing a little more interesting.

Oh... CRAP. Was that a Black Van? Gotta Go..........
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: Cmdbuddy on May 22, 2007, 02:17:09 AM
Quote from: LtCol White on May 21, 2007, 05:24:27 PM
Oswald was a cadet here in the LA Wing with the Eastbank Composite Sq.

Hoorah LAWG!  We produce amazing cadets.  I wonder what my claim to fame will be.  Hopefully, it's nothing like his.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JC004 on May 22, 2007, 02:36:39 AM
JFK was actually knocked off by Pineda.  So says NOTF!!   :angel:
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: mikeylikey on May 22, 2007, 02:54:17 AM
Quote from: JC004 on May 22, 2007, 02:36:39 AM
JFK was actually knocked off by Pineda.  So says NOTF!!   :angel:

Had he even left Cuba then? 
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JC004 on May 22, 2007, 03:48:02 AM
Quote from: mikeylikey on May 22, 2007, 02:54:17 AM
Quote from: JC004 on May 22, 2007, 02:36:39 AM
JFK was actually knocked off by Pineda.  So says NOTF!!   :angel:

Had he even left Cuba then? 

I guess you will have to ask their unnamed source.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: wingnut on May 23, 2007, 04:18:48 AM
AHH come on guys in the 1950s CAP had close to  50,000 cadets, it was a popular program, no JROTC then. And give me a break, you think Lee was hired by the corporations  owner to stack books. HE WAS A LOSER

And can th Bashing of the General or Else. . . . . . . . . .  :o
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: ColonelJack on May 23, 2007, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: wingnut on May 23, 2007, 04:18:48 AM
And can th Bashing of the General or Else. . . . . . . . . .  :o

Well, at least we now know who's driving the black van ...

Jack
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: Sgt. Savage on May 23, 2007, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: wingnut on May 23, 2007, 04:18:48 AM
AHH come on guys in the 1950s CAP had close to  50,000 cadets, it was a popular program, no JROTC then. And give me a break, you think Lee was hired by the corporations  owner to stack books. HE WAS A LOSER

And can th Bashing of the General or Else. . . . . . . . . .  :o

I think what your missing is the connection between Oswald and Byrd. Byrd was one of our founders. He also owned the Dallas School Book Depository. Likewise, David Ferrie, one time CAP Squadron commander, was linked to Oswald,Byrd, the CIA, and organized crime. There are even allegations that the CAP of the 1960's was a recruiting ground for the CIA. It's very difficult to find any verifiable documentation about these things. It's as if there has been some big government cover up....

[darn], another van.....
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JC004 on May 23, 2007, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: ColonelJack on May 23, 2007, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: wingnut on May 23, 2007, 04:18:48 AM
And can th Bashing of the General or Else. . . . . . . . . .  :o

Well, at least we now know who's driving the black van ...

Jack

:o
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: acarlson on May 23, 2007, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: Sgt. Savage on May 23, 2007, 11:08:26 AM

I think what your missing is the connection between Oswald and Byrd. Byrd was one of our founders. He also owned the Dallas School Book Depository. Likewise, David Ferrie, one time CAP Squadron commander, was linked to Oswald,Byrd, the CIA, and organized crime. There are even allegations that the CAP of the 1960's was a recruiting ground for the CIA. It's very difficult to find any verifiable documentation about these things. It's as if there has been some big government cover up....

[darn], another van.....


<GASP !!!>   Do you mean to tell me not all of our cadets go on to fly with the Thunderbirds and/or Blue Angels...  AF fighter pilots.... or .... Larry the Cable Guy??? 

I AM SHOCKED!


hey did Oswald earn his Mitchell?

Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: AlphaSigOU on May 23, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: acarlson on May 23, 2007, 05:29:55 PMhey did Oswald earn his Mitchell?

The Mitchell wasn't introduced until 1964; by that time Oswald was already fertilizing a patch of ground in a Fort Worth cemetery.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on May 23, 2007, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on May 23, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: acarlson on May 23, 2007, 05:29:55 PMhey did Oswald earn his Mitchell?

The Mitchell wasn't introduced until 1964; by that time Oswald was already fertilizing a patch of ground in a Fort Worth cemetery.

This is true, but before the Mitchell there was the Certificate of Proficiency.  I don't know that he ever earned that.

Maybe the guys in that van know, I'll ask th... AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JC004 on May 23, 2007, 07:04:59 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on May 23, 2007, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on May 23, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: acarlson on May 23, 2007, 05:29:55 PMhey did Oswald earn his Mitchell?

The Mitchell wasn't introduced until 1964; by that time Oswald was already fertilizing a patch of ground in a Fort Worth cemetery.

This is true, but before the Mitchell there was the Certificate of Proficiency.  I don't know that he ever earned that.

Maybe the guys in that van know, I'll ask th... AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!


NOOOO!  NOT KACH!  I will avenge his capture!  Right after I stop for some donuts...
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: alexalvarez on May 23, 2007, 07:18:47 PM
I'll call Sparky! He's the man! He will get Kach out of trouble.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: Major Carrales on May 23, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: alexalvarez on May 23, 2007, 07:18:47 PM
I'll call Sparky! He's the man! He will get Kach out of trouble.

HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY!!!
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: LtCol White on May 23, 2007, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on May 23, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: alexalvarez on May 23, 2007, 07:18:47 PM
I'll call Sparky! He's the man! He will get Kach out of trouble.

HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY!!!

watch out for the raven hair dragqueen....he/she might be driving the black van
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: alexalvarez on May 24, 2007, 03:38:42 AM
I knew it! Sparky is really CAP MAN. He has a cape, x-ray vision, and flies around doing good.
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JC004 on May 24, 2007, 04:27:26 AM
Quote from: alexalvarez on May 24, 2007, 03:38:42 AM
I knew it! Sparky is really CAP MAN. He has a cape, x-ray vision, and flies around doing good.

Move along, ladies, gentlemen, and senior members.  Nothing to see here.  No secrets revealed...
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: mikeylikey on May 24, 2007, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: JC004 on May 24, 2007, 04:27:26 AM
Quote from: alexalvarez on May 24, 2007, 03:38:42 AM
I knew it! Sparky is really CAP MAN. He has a cape, x-ray vision, and flies around doing good.

Move along, ladies, gentlemen, and senior members.  Nothing to see here.  No secrets revealed...

Wait, Wait.....I am confused, KACH shot Oswald?  Then what happened to Kennedy, I thought he shot J Edgar Hoover, who in turn shot Batman.  Wow....guess I should have stayed awake in history class. 

Has it been officialy decided here that CAP was a training and recruitment program for the CIA.  If so.....perhpas the Black Van is only visiting members to recruit them to be overseas spies.  Wow.....I hope the van comes to my house tonight!
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: capchiro on May 24, 2007, 12:57:23 PM
IIRC, at the time Oswald was a cadet, marksmanship training was part of the cadet program, however, due to his actions, we are restrained from offering other than very limited weapon training and definitely no paint ball activities.. Such a shame as I have heard many a senior member mention that they would like to draw down on some cadets with paint ball guns.  (On the other hand, I have heard many a cadet member mention that they would love to draw down on some senior members with any kind of gun).. This is all tongue in cheek and no, I do not want to lose my commission over anything I have posted here..and since that is the case, the following signatory info is false and not at all true, but copied from some decent CAP member that did not give his permission or acceptance of it usage..does the appearance of a black helicopter signify anything more than the usual black van??
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: alamrcn on May 24, 2007, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: capchiro on May 24, 2007, 12:57:23 PM
IIRC, at the time Oswald was a cadet, marksmanship training was part of the cadet program, however, due to his actions, we are restrained from offering other than very limited weapon training

I think some Texas cadets stopped us from lifting weights too. Ok, that was mean.

The Brazilian Civil Air Patrol is driving the Black Van.

Who was the character played by Joe Pecci<sp?> in the JFK movie? You know, when he said something like "...he was a part of my Civil Air Patrol unit..." in a real thick Louisianna accent. Was that David Byrd?

- Ace
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: ColonelJack on May 24, 2007, 04:52:20 PM
Quote from: alamrcn on May 24, 2007, 04:24:19 PM
Who was the character played by Joe Pecci<sp?> in the JFK movie? You know, when he said something like "...he was a part of my Civil Air Patrol unit..." in a real thick Louisianna accent. Was that David Byrd?

Joe Pesci played David Ferrie, according to Jim Garrison a co-conspirator in the plot to assassinate President Kennedy. 

Jack
Title: Re: CAP, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assasination of JFK.
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on May 24, 2007, 07:58:15 PM
Actually, I think Jim Garrison was a CAP cadet, too.  he's the one who noted that a whole bunch of CIA types who denied knowing Oswald were actually cadets with him.

Don't worry about the Black Van.  Keep checking your brake fluid.  Garrison's was empty as a politician's promise when he crashed.