Encampment Ribbon

[usafcap1]

Can SMs get the Encampment Ribbon?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Yes.

[usafcap1]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

[cap235629]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

So cadets don't get the ribbon the first time they go??

What is your point exactly???

[Eclipse]

Why would that be a factor?

The current requirement is 30 hours for a senior member to earn the ribbon (or clasp), the draft guide will up that to 40, otherwise its one per encampment, cadet or senior.

[a2capt]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Believe it or not, Encampment actually requires senior members, and senior members get credit for serving, too. Read CAPR 52-16, Chapter 9. Section C covers the requirements for receiving credit.

[a2capt]

Why would that be a factor?

The current requirement is 30 hours for a senior member to earn the ribbon (or clasp), the draft guide will up that to 40, otherwise its one per encampment, cadet or senior.

32 Hours.

[PWK-GT]

From CAPR39-3, 20-e :
Encampment Ribbon. Awarded to cadets for satisfactory completion of an encampment and to senior members for service as a member of an encampment staff. Award of the ribbon is retroactive and clasps may be attached for repetitive awards.

From CAPR52-16, Chap 9-6, c-2
Senior members must provide at least 32 hours of support and successfully complete their assigned duties, in the judgment of the encampment commander, to receive credit for completing an encampment.

So, we have some difference in the Regs....I know, big shock.

There are some people who feel that the award of the ribbon to a Senior is for any number of hours in direct support on staff. This does not make them eligible for the encampment entry on their e-services member report.

Likewise, there are some people who think that it's a 'typo' here, and all seniors must have the 32 hour commitment to earn either the Ribbon or the Encampment Credit.

Thoughts?  <hides behind fireproof barrier>

[Майор Хаткевич]

Interesting question. I'll make sure to use my chain of command and send it up to group for clarification.

[Grumpy]

Interesting question. I'll make sure to use my chain of command and send it up to group for clarification.

You never did say if there was a problem.

[usafcap1]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

So cadets don't get the ribbon the first time they go??

What is your point exactly???

I won't be able to go to encampment until I am a SM, because I'm going to school here soon and I will not be able to go to any fun things like encampment. So I'm curious can a SM go to encampment even if its their first time? And get a ribbon for it?

[usafcap1]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Yes I am a recruiter I'm trying hard to all the CAPR's and CAPM's as I can.

[SarDragon]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

So cadets don't get the ribbon the first time they go? ?

What is your point exactly???

I won't be able to go to encampment until I am a SM, because I'm going to school here soon and I will not be able to go to any fun things like encampment. So I'm curious can a SM go to encampment even if its their first time? And get a ribbon for it?

Yes, it can be done, but without significant experience in the cadet program, your ability to serve in a functional capacity will be very limited.

[SarDragon]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Yes I am a recruiter I'm trying hard to all the CAPR's and CAPM's as I can.

Could you try that again in a language other than "Genuine Frontier Gibberish"?

As for ribbons, they are not the goals for doing things. The goal is to complete an activity to the best of your ability. The ribbon you get when you're done is just a part of a visual resume.

[Hawk200]

There are some people who feel that the award of the ribbon to a Senior is for any number of hours in direct support on staff. This does not make them eligible for the encampment entry on their e-services member report.

Likewise, there are some people who think that it's a 'typo' here, and all seniors must have the 32 hour commitment to earn either the Ribbon or the Encampment Credit.

I think that it should be 32 hours in direct support.

At an encampment in 2007, I was basically asked to stop in because I was going to be in the area. I only spent two and a half days doing anything actually supporting the encampment, and then returned home. The encampment was nine days. I wasn't listed on any of the encampment rosters for any designated duties.

I don't think I legitimately earned an encampment credit or the ribbon. A little certificate that essentially said "Thanks for your help" would have been nice, but I don't feel like they absolutely had to do that either.

I think there are probably times someone might come in to help out a bit, but I think a person needs to be there for an obvious majority of time for the encampment to receive credit for it, and be listed somewhere in all the paperwork for it. (And we all know the mindset: "Paperwork, or it didn't happen.")

Please, note that this is personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the policy of management or regulation. Your mileage may vary.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

[PHall]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

Because seniors have those nasty things called jobs, families and life in general which all demand time.

[AngelWings]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

Because seniors have those nasty things called jobs, families and life in general which all demand time.

Who needs a life? They're definitely just a distraction from what really matters 

[Майор Хаткевич]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

The required contact is what, 40 hours right now? 32 is 80%, which is technically the requirement for cadets as well, so I'm not sure what you mean.

[Private Investigator]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

Life is full of discrepancies, you might as well have a cup of coffee and wake up.

As a policeman I put in 8, 10 or 12 hour shifts on a daily basis. Police executives on salary do not clock in or clock out. They might have a three hour breakfast meeting with the mayor but I got a 30 minute meal break that I can be called away from at any moment.   

[Luis R. Ramos]

 

Oh PI!

Don't tell me you are not paid for those extra hours.

I still do not see the relevancy of your post to mine.

Flyer

[ol'fido]

It has been my experience that most seniors who work encampments year in and year out don't worry about getting "credit" for the encampment. These are the guys that are there the whole time and always doing their job plus a couple of others. The ones that worry about "credit" are the ones that show up for a day or three, do their "one" thing, don't help out otherwise or take their turn at KP, or all of a sudden have to leave two days before the end for "family emergencies" every year. These are the ones that the encampment commander and I have a talk about when we are going through and registering people for "credit". These are also the ones that complain the most if it doesn't show up on eServices.

"Sorry, Major, but showing up for two days and complaining to everyone about how much money you could be making if you weren't doing us this HUGE favor is not enough to get you credit. Plus, all the available KP shiifts were "inconvenient" for you. Next year, stay at home and make money."

I would rather have a brand new senior that hasn't been in the program for more that a year than some know-it-all Major or LtCol that thinks he's God's gift to CAP and the summer encampment. You don't need to have a lot of experience in the Cadet Program to make a huge contribution. All you need is a positive attitude, a willingness to work, and be ready to learn new things. Mistakes will be made but that's how we learn.

[Garibaldi]

It has been my experience that most seniors who work encampments year in and year out don't worry about getting "credit" for the encampment. These are the guys that are there the whole time and always doing their job plus a couple of others. The ones that worry about "credit" are the ones that show up for a day or three, do their "one" thing, don't help out otherwise or take their turn at KP, or all of a sudden have to leave two days before the end for "family emergencies" every year. These are the ones that the encampment commander and I have a talk about when we are going through and registering people for "credit". These are also the ones that complain the most if it doesn't show up on eServices.

"Sorry, Major, but showing up for two days and complaining to everyone about how much money you could be making if you weren't doing us this HUGE favor is not enough to get you credit. Plus, all the available KP shiifts were "inconvenient" for you. Next year, stay at home and make money."

I would rather have a brand new senior that hasn't been in the program for more that a year than some know-it-all Major or LtCol that thinks he's God's gift to CAP and the summer encampment. You don't need to have a lot of experience in the Cadet Program to make a huge contribution. All you need is a positive attitude, a willingness to work, and be ready to learn new things. Mistakes will be made but that's how we learn.

I spent 3 days at encampment this year. I went down to help out with the ES training which was being done. I also got tasked with being a driver, and the logistics officer tried to bribe me into staying longer than I planned because they were short handed. I also drove the cadets down and went back to pick them up. I had an agreement with the encampment commander that I'd be able to come down and do what I had to do.

I did not receive credit in eservices, nor will I bug the commander about it. I've been to 7 now, 5 as a cadet and 2 as a senior. I've BTDT enough to not really give a darn about another clasp. I did it for the cadets, not myself.

[Eclipse]

It has been my experience that most seniors who work encampments year in and year out don't worry about getting "credit" for the encampment. These are the guys that are there the whole time and always doing their job plus a couple of others. The ones that worry about "credit" are the ones that show up for a day or three, do their "one" thing, don't help out otherwise or take their turn at KP, or all of a sudden have to leave two days before the end for "family emergencies" every year. These are the ones that the encampment commander and I have a talk about when we are going through and registering people for "credit". These are also the ones that complain the most if it doesn't show up on eServices.

"Sorry, Major, but showing up for two days and complaining to everyone about how much money you could be making if you weren't doing us this HUGE favor is not enough to get you credit. Plus, all the available KP shiifts were "inconvenient" for you. Next year, stay at home and make money."

I would rather have a brand new senior that hasn't been in the program for more that a year than some know-it-all Major or LtCol that thinks he's God's gift to CAP and the summer encampment. You don't need to have a lot of experience in the Cadet Program to make a huge contribution. All you need is a positive attitude, a willingness to work, and be ready to learn new things. Mistakes will be made but that's how we learn.

Yep.

[SarDragon]

Back in '08, I made a dual purpose trip to Michigan, to participate in the encampment, and to visit family afterward. Because of travel constraints beforehand, I didn't get there until the middle of the week.

I did PAO stuff - taking pictures during the day, and helping produce the daily newsletter at night. I wasn't particularly concerned whether I got credit or not, but the folks there figured that I made enough of a contribution to do so. It showed up in eServices some time after the encampment. Surprise, surprise.

[usafcap1]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Yes I am a recruiter I'm trying hard to all the CAPR's and CAPM's as I can.

Could you try that again in a language other than "Genuine Frontier Gibberish"?

Genuine Frontier Gibberish ?? What!?!?!?!?

[SarDragon]

Excuse me, it's "authentic frontier gibberish".

It's a reference to the movie, Blazing Saddles.

I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.

Your post made about as much sense.

[cap235629]

It has been my experience that most seniors who work encampments year in and year out don't worry about getting "credit" for the encampment. These are the guys that are there the whole time and always doing their job plus a couple of others. The ones that worry about "credit" are the ones that show up for a day or three, do their "one" thing, don't help out otherwise or take their turn at KP, or all of a sudden have to leave two days before the end for "family emergencies" every year. These are the ones that the encampment commander and I have a talk about when we are going through and registering people for "credit". These are also the ones that complain the most if it doesn't show up on eServices.

"Sorry, Major, but showing up for two days and complaining to everyone about how much money you could be making if you weren't doing us this HUGE favor is not enough to get you credit. Plus, all the available KP shiifts were "inconvenient" for you. Next year, stay at home and make money."

I would rather have a brand new senior that hasn't been in the program for more that a year than some know-it-all Major or LtCol that thinks he's God's gift to CAP and the summer encampment. You don't need to have a lot of experience in the Cadet Program to make a huge contribution. All you need is a positive attitude, a willingness to work, and be ready to learn new things. Mistakes will be made but that's how we learn.

I spent 3 days at encampment this year. I went down to help out with the ES training which was being done. I also got tasked with being a driver, and the logistics officer tried to bribe me into staying longer than I planned because they were short handed. I also drove the cadets down and went back to pick them up. I had an agreement with the encampment commander that I'd be able to come down and do what I had to do.

I did not receive credit in eservices, nor will I bug the commander about it. I've been to 7 now, 5 as a cadet and 2 as a senior. I've BTDT enough to not really give a darn about another clasp. I did it for the cadets, not myself.

If this were a facebook post I would be jumping all over the like button.  I joined CAP for ES.  I SWORE UP AND DOWN that I wanted NOTHING to do with cadet programs after 20 years as a Boy Scout Leader.  2 years later I logged 20 hours of sleep over a 10 day period because I was ensuring that "MY" cadets got THE BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE at encampment.  The mission is the reason for our existence, NOT the bling.  I wear my ribbons maybe once a year at Wing Conference.

That being said, I DO take pride in my accomplishments and HUMBLY wear every ribbon I am entitled to wear.

[Private Investigator]

Oh PI!

Don't tell me you are not paid for those extra hours.

I still do not see the relevancy of your post to mine.

Flyer

Being a teenager let me tell you life is not black or white, lot of gray areas to deal with. Take your thinking to a level one or two clicks up. Any higher you will have a nose bleed