Encampment Ribbon

[usafcap1]

Can SMs get the Encampment Ribbon?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Yes.

[usafcap1]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

[cap235629]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

So cadets don't get the ribbon the first time they go??

What is your point exactly???

[Eclipse]

Why would that be a factor?

The current requirement is 30 hours for a senior member to earn the ribbon (or clasp), the draft guide will up that to 40, otherwise its one per encampment, cadet or senior.

[a2capt]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Believe it or not, Encampment actually requires senior members, and senior members get credit for serving, too. Read CAPR 52-16, Chapter 9. Section C covers the requirements for receiving credit.

[a2capt]

Why would that be a factor?

The current requirement is 30 hours for a senior member to earn the ribbon (or clasp), the draft guide will up that to 40, otherwise its one per encampment, cadet or senior.

32 Hours.

[PWK-GT]

From CAPR39-3, 20-e :
Encampment Ribbon. Awarded to cadets for satisfactory completion of an encampment and to senior members for service as a member of an encampment staff. Award of the ribbon is retroactive and clasps may be attached for repetitive awards.

From CAPR52-16, Chap 9-6, c-2
Senior members must provide at least 32 hours of support and successfully complete their assigned duties, in the judgment of the encampment commander, to receive credit for completing an encampment.

So, we have some difference in the Regs....I know, big shock.

There are some people who feel that the award of the ribbon to a Senior is for any number of hours in direct support on staff. This does not make them eligible for the encampment entry on their e-services member report.

Likewise, there are some people who think that it's a 'typo' here, and all seniors must have the 32 hour commitment to earn either the Ribbon or the Encampment Credit.

Thoughts?  <hides behind fireproof barrier>

[Майор Хаткевич]

Interesting question. I'll make sure to use my chain of command and send it up to group for clarification.

[Grumpy]

Interesting question. I'll make sure to use my chain of command and send it up to group for clarification.

You never did say if there was a problem.

[usafcap1]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

So cadets don't get the ribbon the first time they go??

What is your point exactly???

I won't be able to go to encampment until I am a SM, because I'm going to school here soon and I will not be able to go to any fun things like encampment. So I'm curious can a SM go to encampment even if its their first time? And get a ribbon for it?

[usafcap1]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Yes I am a recruiter I'm trying hard to all the CAPR's and CAPM's as I can.

[SarDragon]

Yes.

Even if its their first time?

So cadets don't get the ribbon the first time they go? ?

What is your point exactly???

I won't be able to go to encampment until I am a SM, because I'm going to school here soon and I will not be able to go to any fun things like encampment. So I'm curious can a SM go to encampment even if its their first time? And get a ribbon for it?

Yes, it can be done, but without significant experience in the cadet program, your ability to serve in a functional capacity will be very limited.

[SarDragon]

When else do you get the ribbon?

You're a 'recruiter'?

Yes I am a recruiter I'm trying hard to all the CAPR's and CAPM's as I can.

Could you try that again in a language other than "Genuine Frontier Gibberish"?

As for ribbons, they are not the goals for doing things. The goal is to complete an activity to the best of your ability. The ribbon you get when you're done is just a part of a visual resume.

[Hawk200]

There are some people who feel that the award of the ribbon to a Senior is for any number of hours in direct support on staff. This does not make them eligible for the encampment entry on their e-services member report.

Likewise, there are some people who think that it's a 'typo' here, and all seniors must have the 32 hour commitment to earn either the Ribbon or the Encampment Credit.

I think that it should be 32 hours in direct support.

At an encampment in 2007, I was basically asked to stop in because I was going to be in the area. I only spent two and a half days doing anything actually supporting the encampment, and then returned home. The encampment was nine days. I wasn't listed on any of the encampment rosters for any designated duties.

I don't think I legitimately earned an encampment credit or the ribbon. A little certificate that essentially said "Thanks for your help" would have been nice, but I don't feel like they absolutely had to do that either.

I think there are probably times someone might come in to help out a bit, but I think a person needs to be there for an obvious majority of time for the encampment to receive credit for it, and be listed somewhere in all the paperwork for it. (And we all know the mindset: "Paperwork, or it didn't happen.")

Please, note that this is personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the policy of management or regulation. Your mileage may vary.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

[PHall]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

Because seniors have those nasty things called jobs, families and life in general which all demand time.

[AngelWings]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

Because seniors have those nasty things called jobs, families and life in general which all demand time.

Who needs a life? They're definitely just a distraction from what really matters 

[Майор Хаткевич]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

The required contact is what, 40 hours right now? 32 is 80%, which is technically the requirement for cadets as well, so I'm not sure what you mean.

[Private Investigator]

Why would cadets be required to attend all the time and complete all activities, and senior members given credit for partial work or attendance?

There is a discrepancy right there.

Flyer

Life is full of discrepancies, you might as well have a cup of coffee and wake up.

As a policeman I put in 8, 10 or 12 hour shifts on a daily basis. Police executives on salary do not clock in or clock out. They might have a three hour breakfast meeting with the mayor but I got a 30 minute meal break that I can be called away from at any moment.