Quote from: SarDragon on July 17, 2012, 01:02:04 AM
Were you a member of the unit when they were awarded?

Me? Yes. Not the NCUC, but the basic UC.

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 17, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
On the topic of Unit Citations; has a Squadron or a Group received one? Usually it is the Wing or Wing HQ that is awarded the UC as far as I know.

What about the NCUC?

I wear the UC with one clasp. My squadron won SoM in 80 and SoD in 82 while I was a cadet. The unit citation streamers somehow ended up on the Group guidon after the squadron folded in 89. How about that? i hadn't thought of it that way until just now. Top squadron in the country one year and kaput 7 years later.

Quote from: Eclipse on July 17, 2012, 01:24:57 AM

Quote from: SarDragon on July 17, 2012, 01:18:30 AM
CAWG (the entire wing) has been awarded two UCs since I transferred in.

NYWG, FLWG, & CAWG, seem especially inclined towards this practice, although in their defense some tend to get a lot of
high-visibility, large scale missions.

These were awarded by NHQ, not the wing. One was for Challenger, and I believe the other one was for Fossett.

Pretty sure you mean Columbia. Challenger fell into the ocean. 

NER and NYWG were for 9/11

Quote from: LGM30GMCC on July 18, 2012, 12:30:51 AM
Pretty sure you mean Columbia. Challenger fell into the ocean. 

NER and NYWG were for 9/11

Well, they both start with 'C'.   

Quote from: Garibaldi on July 17, 2012, 12:56:18 AM

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 17, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
On the topic of Unit Citations; has a Squadron or a Group received one? Usually it is the Wing or Wing HQ that is awarded the UC as far as I know.

What about the NCUC?

My current squadron has 3.

And none of the cadets and only a few of the seniors where in the unit at the time the last one was earned never mind all 3 but I constantly see personnel from your unit sporting the ribbon.  I have personally talked to one of your seniors about this who was sporting 3 clasps on hers....

PLEASE help me fix this because it makes me twitch....

Quote from: Garibaldi on July 17, 2012, 12:56:18 AM

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 17, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
On the topic of Unit Citations; has a Squadron or a Group received one? Usually it is the Wing or Wing HQ that is awarded the UC as far as I know.

What about the NCUC?

My current squadron has 3.

I was just wondering what a Squadron would do for a Unit Citation? Work the County Fair? SoD and SoM I guess   

Quote from: cap235629 on July 18, 2012, 06:33:32 AM

Quote from: Garibaldi on July 17, 2012, 12:56:18 AM

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 17, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
On the topic of Unit Citations; has a Squadron or a Group received one? Usually it is the Wing or Wing HQ that is awarded the UC as far as I know.

What about the NCUC?

My current squadron has 3.

And none of the cadets and only a few of the seniors where in the unit at the time the last one was earned never mind all 3 but I constantly see personnel from your unit sporting the ribbon.  I have personally talked to one of your seniors about this who was sporting 3 clasps on hers....

PLEASE help me fix this because it makes me twitch....

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Quote from: Private Investigator on July 18, 2012, 08:39:07 AMI was just wondering what a Squadron would do for a Unit Citation? Work the County Fair? SoD and SoM I guess

Be the host for large activities with a scope outside the unit.

Be the lead / only unit involved in a large ES response.

Significantly increase membership / proficiency / qualifications.

Cumulative performance in all three missions above that of their peer units.

Frankly I think that SoM / SoD would be something to include in the narrative for a UC, but in and of themselves SoD / SoM are already awards,
so you're double awarding the membership if you give a UC to members who earned the SoM / SoD.

But there is no ribbon to go along with SoM/SoD. Not that the UC is a good replacement, but now with ComComs and Achievement Ribbons, I suppose it is possible to reward the players who made it happen.

Makes more sense to have unit award ribbons for SoM/SoD than to award individual decorations to an entire unit for SoM/SoD.

Frankly there are so many issues with how and why units receive the SoM / SoD, I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

It's both objective and subjective, is based on factors which may be largely out of a unit's hands, and tends to favor smaller units, especially
new ones.

Quote from: MIKE on July 18, 2012, 04:50:53 PM
Makes more sense to have unit award ribbons for SoM/SoD than to award individual decorations to an entire unit for SoM/SoD.

I agree, and since the SoM / SoD is entirely a cadet-focused award, those not involved in the "cadet-side" should not be decorated - that's
another kettle of fish.

Quote from: usafaux2004 on July 18, 2012, 04:38:39 PM
But there is no ribbon to go along with SoM/SoD. Not that the UC is a good replacement, but now with ComComs and Achievement Ribbons, I suppose it is possible to reward the players who made it happen.

I agree that the SoM/SoD either should have their own ribbons or automatically get UCs.
And yes if you are putting together a program that results in a SoM/SoD.....then you do need to be writting up and awarding CCComs and Acheivement Medals.

The ribbon on the flag >is< the reward.

In fact, since a UC is another streamer, that's more reason >not< to award one for the SoM / SoD. 

"Hey!  Why'd you get the red streamer?"

"Because we got the yellow one!"

Quote from: Eclipse on July 18, 2012, 05:10:55 PM
The ribbon on the flag >is< the reward.

In fact, since a UC is another streamer, that's more reason >not< to award one for the SoM / SoD. 

"Hey!  Why'd you get the red streamer?"

"Because we got the yellow one!"

Which is why I said ComComs and Achievement Ribbons. Someone has to be the driving force (Say the deputy of cadets), and then support characters such as O-flight pilots, leadership officers, activity planners, etc. While some SoM/SoD are trivial, I bet there's typically at least one or two people who can be rewarded on the Senior side for a job well done.

Yes their reward is the streamer.

Being a part of a unit selected as SoM could certainly be one line in a larger 120, but not the whole thing, and not for the whole unit.

The SoM essentially says "You were the best of those who did actually did what you're supposed to, Thank You".

Quote from: Eclipse on July 18, 2012, 04:32:59 PM

Quote from: Private Investigator on July 18, 2012, 08:39:07 AMI was just wondering what a Squadron would do for a Unit Citation? Work the County Fair? SoD and SoM I guess

Be the host for large activities with a scope outside the unit.

Be the lead / only unit involved in a large ES response.

Significantly increase membership / proficiency / qualifications.

Cumulative performance in all three missions above that of their peer units.

Frankly I think that SoM / SoD would be something to include in the narrative for a UC, but in and of themselves SoD / SoM are already awards,
so you're double awarding the membership if you give a UC to members who earned the SoM / SoD.

I know Units put themselves in for Unit Citations for 9/11/2001 response, but did any Units get a UC for 9/11?

Is there a database listing all the units who earned a UC over, say, the last 20 years or so? I've tried checking with my old Wing but no dice.

I doubt so.  Many UC's are approved at the Wing level and if the Wing has no record and the squadron has no record (good research job for the unit historian if there is one), then you'll need to seek other sources.

Browse through the unit files (if kept), look for certificates in the back closet.  Research local newspaper databases for any news articles that might of mentioned the unit etc.

You would think wing has to send something up for NHQ...