I had a Airman ask me this as my first day as flight/first sergeant (we have a small squadron) and I didn't know what the answer was.  He had asked me that if we are in class A's (blues uniform with service coats) if we could wear a service cap instead of the flight cap.  He also asked me about ABU's and I didn't know that answer nor did I want to get into it because he didn't stop at asking me about the ABU's but then continued to tell me that he wanted them so he could look cool and like the Air Force.    But enough about that I just need to know the answer to the service caps.
Thanks!
C/SSgt De La O

You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.

The service cap is not authorized for wear by cadet Airmen or NCOs, per 39-1, Page 35, 4.1.5.11.

The ABU issue was closed by writ or Maj Gen Carr CAP will not request wear of that uniform.

Quote from: sandite190 on November 19, 2014, 11:04:21 PM
You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.

Not 100% true....
To the OP....all your answers can be found in the following places.....CAPM 39-1 and your chain of command.

Have a great day.

Quote from: lordmonar on November 19, 2014, 11:07:29 PM

Quote from: sandite190 on November 19, 2014, 11:04:21 PM
You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.

Not 100% true....
To the OP....all your answers can be found in the following places.....CAPM 39-1 and your chain of command.

Have a great day.

And to the OP welcome aboard CAP Talk and have fun in CAP.   

Only cadet officers or members of some honor guards are authorized to wear the service cap.  Cadet airmen and NCO's may not.  If a cadet officer chooses to wear one, it must be the company grade cap, with a a cadet officer cap device.

- C/1st Lt. Claar

but...but....this one is much cooler:

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.

Quote from: lordmonar on November 23, 2014, 04:51:30 AM

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to be seen in that silly looking thing

Quote from: Grumpy on November 23, 2014, 05:50:53 AM

Quote from: lordmonar on November 23, 2014, 04:51:30 AM

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to be seen in that silly looking thing

And when you are COS of the USAF you would have that option. 

Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

The Air Force seems to have a habit of Chiefs of Staff inventing uniforms that disappear when their tenure ends.

Quote from: MSG Mac on November 23, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
The Air Force seems to have a habit of Chiefs of Staff inventing uniforms that disappear when their tenure ends.

True but unfortunately not quite true enough though as we are still stuck with ABUs and probably the least military looking service jacket.

General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.

Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM

Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

Quote from: Tim Medeiros on November 24, 2014, 01:28:54 AM

Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM

Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

I stand corrected.

So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play?  Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!

Jack

Quote from: ColonelJack on November 24, 2014, 12:53:58 PM

Quote from: Tim Medeiros on November 24, 2014, 01:28:54 AM

Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM

Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it.  You can be sure it will never be seen again.

Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study?  The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat?  If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?

(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)

Jack

To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).


http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG

I stand corrected.

So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play?  Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!

Jack

Don't ask questions like that. There is a "blue" joke lurking not too far below the surface....one time, at band camp....

Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM

Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:

off topic but...

Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force.  Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.

What high school marching band do these guys belong to?