I had a Airman ask me this as my first day as flight/first sergeant (we have a small squadron) and I didn't know what the answer was. He had asked me that if we are in class A's (blues uniform with service coats) if we could wear a service cap instead of the flight cap. He also asked me about ABU's and I didn't know that answer nor did I want to get into it because he didn't stop at asking me about the ABU's but then continued to tell me that he wanted them so he could look cool and like the Air Force. >:( But enough about that I just need to know the answer to the service caps.
Thanks!
C/SSgt De La O
You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.
The service cap is not authorized for wear by cadet Airmen or NCOs, per 39-1, Page 35, 4.1.5.11.
The ABU issue was closed by writ or Maj Gen Carr CAP will not request wear of that uniform.
Quote from: sandite190 on November 19, 2014, 11:04:21 PM
You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.
Not 100% true....
To the OP....all your answers can be found in the following places.....CAPM 39-1 and your chain of command.
Have a great day.
Quote from: lordmonar on November 19, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: sandite190 on November 19, 2014, 11:04:21 PM
You have to be a cadet officer to wear the service cap.
Not 100% true....
To the OP....all your answers can be found in the following places.....CAPM 39-1 and your chain of command.
Have a great day.
And to the OP welcome aboard CAP Talk and have fun in CAP. 8)
Only cadet officers or members of some honor guards are authorized to wear the service cap. Cadet airmen and NCO's may not. If a cadet officer chooses to wear one, it must be the company grade cap, with a a cadet officer cap device.
- C/1st Lt. Claar
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it. You can be sure it will never be seen again.
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.
Quote from: lordmonar on November 23, 2014, 04:51:30 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.
Frankly, I wouldn't want to be seen in that silly looking thing
Quote from: Grumpy on November 23, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on November 23, 2014, 04:51:30 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
Nothing says "elitist" like being the top 2 or 3 people in the entire Air force.
So your comments are sort of redundant redundant.
Frankly, I wouldn't want to be seen in that silly looking thing
And when you are COS of the USAF you would have that option. :)
Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it. You can be sure it will never be seen again.
Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study? The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat? If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?
(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)
Jack
The Air Force seems to have a habit of Chiefs of Staff inventing uniforms that disappear when their tenure ends.
Quote from: MSG Mac on November 23, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
The Air Force seems to have a habit of Chiefs of Staff inventing uniforms that disappear when their tenure ends.
True but unfortunately not quite true enough though as we are still stuck with ABUs and probably the least military looking service jacket.
General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.
Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it. You can be sure it will never be seen again.
Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study? The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat? If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?
(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)
Jack
To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).
http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG)
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on November 24, 2014, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it. You can be sure it will never be seen again.
Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study? The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat? If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?
(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)
Jack
To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).
http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG)
I stand corrected.
So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play? Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!
Jack
Quote from: ColonelJack on November 24, 2014, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on November 24, 2014, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it. You can be sure it will never be seen again.
Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study? The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat? If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?
(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)
Jack
To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).
http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG)
I stand corrected.
So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play? Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!
Jack
Don't ask questions like that. There is a "blue" joke lurking not too far below the surface....one time, at band camp....
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
What high school marching band do these guys belong to?
Quote from: THRAWN on November 24, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: ColonelJack on November 24, 2014, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on November 24, 2014, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on November 23, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The retiring Chief of Staff pretty much demanded it. You can be sure it will never be seen again.
Perhaps so ... but wasn't Gen. Schwartz the guy who pulled the plug on the new service dress uniform study? The one which was apparently leading toward a Hap Arnold-style service coat? If he can pull the plug on that, why does he get a pass in having a one-off uniform that only three people can wear?
(I know, I know ... he's a four-star general and CoS of the Air Force, that's why.)
Jack
To be fair, it seems more than three people can wear that uniform (with the exception of the service cap).
http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG)
I stand corrected.
So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play? Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!
Jack
Don't ask questions like that. There is a "blue" joke lurking not too far below the surface....one time, at band camp....
I think I know that joke.................
Jack
Quote from: Flying Pig on November 24, 2014, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
What high school marching band do these guys belong to?
Pentagon High School. Home of the REMF's!!! >:D
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on November 23, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.
I am thinking General Patton 8)
Quote from: PHall on November 25, 2014, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on November 24, 2014, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
What high school marching band do these guys belong to?
Pentagon High School. Home of the REMF's!!! >:D
True that 8)
Quote from: Private Investigator on November 25, 2014, 06:00:09 AM
Quote from: PHall on November 25, 2014, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on November 24, 2014, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
What high school marching band do these guys belong to?
Pentagon High School. Home of the REMF's!!! >:D
True that 8)
Their mascot is the Blue Falcon! >:D
They should ask the Marines or Navy how to wear a Choker Collered uniform.
Quote from: MSG Mac on November 26, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
They should ask the Marines or Navy how to wear a Choker Collered uniform.
How about just say NO to the choker collar!
Quote from: Private Investigator on November 25, 2014, 05:59:34 AM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on November 23, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
General officers are allowed modifications to their own uniforms such as wear of the unique general officer pistol and pistol belt, custom lightweight blue jacket, among other things.
I am thinking General Patton 8)
I always think of not-really-a-general General Custer with this description.
Quote from: MSG Mac on November 26, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
They should ask the Marines or Navy how to wear a Choker Collered uniform.
Or the Coast Guard.
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607998061879100883&pid=1.7)
And for the ladies...
(http://www.navy.mil.nz/nr/rdonlyres/aa56eaf5-2700-4ee5-abbc-37fae4a9364c/0/webcdrsandrawalker.jpg)
Commander Sandra Walker, RNZN
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
That looks like it could have been designed for 'Starship Troopers'.
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The reason is called MONEY. The Uniforms probably cost a minimum of $300, Just the decorations they're wearing is close to $200.(They're only wearing Personal decoration, not all that they're entitled to) That General Hat with the braid around the hat, another $150/$200.
Quote from: MSG Mac on February 02, 2015, 04:58:45 AM
Quote from: kwe1009 on November 23, 2014, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JC004 on November 23, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
but...but....this one is much cooler:
(http://airman.dodlive.mil/files/2012/08/The-Office.jpg)
off topic but...
Nothing quite says "elitist" like a uniform that can only be worn by 2 or 3 people in the entire Air Force. Not sure of the reason not to allow everyone to have a military-looking formal uniform.
The reason is called MONEY. The Uniforms probably cost a minimum of $300, Just the decorations they're wearing is close to $200.(They're only wearing Personal decoration, not all that they're entitled to) That General Hat with the braid around the hat, another $150/$200.
That's the Chief of Staff band on the hat. It's an add-on for the "normal" General Officer's Service Cap. It's under $100.
Made me think... Were these officer's heads in the clouds when they decided on that uniform? Caps with clouds, heads in clouds...
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on February 02, 2015, 12:45:41 PM
Made me think... Were these officer's heads in the clouds when they decided on that uniform? Caps with clouds, heads in clouds...
Extra hat braid for Chiefs of Staff (and Commandants of the Marine Corps) has been around for quite awhile. Case in point Gen Nathan Twining (1957-1960):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Nathan_Twining_02.jpg)
I knew that.
Just wanted to make a funny connection but I guess no one saw it...
Those officers that wanted to get a new uniform did not think because they had their heads in the clouds... Ahh, whats the use???
When you have to explain your joke, there was a problem. In the delivery, maybe?
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on February 02, 2015, 05:40:25 PM
Those officers that wanted to get a new uniform did not think because they had their heads in the clouds... Ahh, whats the use???
I got the joke, maybe because I have been stuck with a lot of bad puns lately (If a judge is talkative, expect a long sentence...)
I am pretty sure that uniform was designed after the one worn by the late Ralph Cranston or was it Kramdon..
<SNIP>
http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2005/Jun/28/2000581761/-1/-1/0/050627-F-5589M-157.JPG)
[/quote]
I stand corrected.
So does anybody know what instruments the generals (and the CMSAF) play? Because those are BAND uniforms, boys 'n girls!
Jack
[/quote]
Jack nailed it....these are the BAND uniforms :)
https://www.google.com/search?q=usaf+band&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RwzRVMzNJtXfoASRoILAAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAkQ_AUoBA (https://www.google.com/search?q=usaf+band&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RwzRVMzNJtXfoASRoILAAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAkQ_AUoBA)
You have wonder - what possessed them to do that? :o