Vehicle Graphics

[Call sign]

Help please.  Myrtle Beach SC Squadron has access to an awesome vehicle graphics company (Showcards! Signs 843-448-6712...me) Capt. Meyer asked me to check specs & see what was regulation. I would like to, at least, make the approved graphics "oversized". Is there a source for such info?
Thanks
Bob Zink 

[EMT-83]

CAPR 77-1, section 10.

[Brad]

Bob, recommend you get up with Frank Slemmer, he's our Wing Transportation Officer, may want to get the OK from him.

[JC004]

Make them over-sized for what?   Confused...   

[Brad]

Visibility purposes I'd guess. Although I'd think that that was already determined by NHQ when they made the decals that are received from them anyway.

[Call sign]

Thanks all. Appreciate the input.

[AdAstra]

Bob,

Contact Marc Huchette, Director of Public Awareness and Member Development at NHQ: 334-953-7748, Ext. 235. Before moving up, he was responsible for wrapping vans with super graphics, and it still falls under his section. At one time, I'd asked for the graphic file to have printed and installed locally; I recall that he was agreeable. Not much savings, but it would have saved the design stage and used a common design.

I can send photos of two different wrapped vans. I saw one at NHQ a couple of times and it looks great. I saw the second one at Region Staff College last month, one of the "tests" wraps that were sent out to each region. The driver hated the look and was embarrassed to drive it. Except for the ^%@ triangle logo, I thought it looked fine. Neither the Region Commander nor PAO could tell me how "successful" (number of new members or inquiries, for instance) the idea was.

Good luck with the project!

[mynetdude]

How do you get CAP wraps/logos for POVs that are approved for CAP use? Friend of mine in CAP has magnets that are removable, he said to get them at vanguard, couldn't find any.

[a2capt]

They don't appear to have them anymore.

As for a wrap? These are not exactly temporary, or an on demand thing. ... So...

[SarDragon]

How do you get CAP wraps/logos for POVs that are approved for CAP use? Friend of mine in CAP has magnets that are removable, he said to get them at vanguard, couldn't find any.

Vanguard carries the stickers. You need to buy magnootie stuff from a sign shop to make your own. Get the thick stuff. The thin stuff on the side of a car will lift at around 55 mph.

[Pylon]

Actually, the use of the words "Civil Air Patrol" on POVs isn't on the list of approved uses, but the corporate emblem on privately-owned vehicles may be "used for CAP business upon written approval of the wing or region commander as appropriate. Such approval will be granted only where its use would reflect favorably upon CAP."  per CAPR 900-2, paragraph 3(d)-2.    And the corporate seal is prohibited for use on POVs, period.

[a2capt]

I didn't see the "Civil Air Patrol" "Official Business" stickers.

I did see the 10" seal, but you can't use that on a POV.

As to what good is it, otherwise? Doors, walls, lockers, podiums..  I guess.

Though I do have one mounted on a magnet.

[SarDragon]

They have two items titled 10" seal. One is actually the emblem, and is so identified in the description.

I presume we're talking about this:



CAPR 900-2, para 3.d.2) says one thing about its use. Table 1 says it slightly different, implying that WgCC approval is not necessarily required.

I've had them on the side of my vehicle, without any complaints from anyone.

YMMV.

[JC004]

They don't appear to have them anymore.

As for a wrap? These are not exactly temporary, or an on demand thing. ... So...

A wrap, huh?  I haven't even seen a wrap authorized in 77-1 or 900-2... 

[SarDragon]

Subway makes a decent wrap with Italian lunch meat and cheese.

[JC004]

Subway makes a decent wrap with Italian lunch meat and cheese.

They also designed the vehicle wrap that I posted here:

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=10501.msg192158#msg192158

...you know, the one with the Monopoly houses logo on the doors...

The Sandwich Assembly Supervisor at Subway number 9823 designed it.

...
Except for the ^%@ triangle logo
...

Join us!  http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=10501.msg192025#msg192025

[a2capt]

I've had them on the side of my vehicle, without any complaints from anyone.

Wow, I'm surprised at you. Falling back on that "but no one said anything" in a "I've been told, I've heard" kinda way.


Which leads me back to, if we're not supposed to use that seal (as I would presume, it could be lead to construe a higher authority), why is it available for sale in a durable, all weather format. Of course, it's not on a magnet. As I noted, doors, lockers, podiums...  Yes, I have a set of them, too. Granted, I have also put them on the vehicle - however the rationale there is when we are setup someplace stationary, the vehicle and it's attendants have been "tagged" as to who we are, and what we might be doing.


Though I do also have those AF blue rectangular things that are also probably not authorized because it says "Civil Air Patrol",  and generally only get put on once we're on an airport ramp.


The whole thing is probably a slippery slope, I mean, what next, "if they can't be trusted with vehicle magnets.. " and besides, they wear flight jackets in civvies. They all must be evil renegade anti-authoritive ..  oh never mind 
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[cap235629]

Though I do also have those AF blue rectangular things that are also probably not authorized because it says "Civil Air Patrol",  and generally only get put on once we're on an airport ramp.

What are those? I have never seen nor heard of them.

[a2capt]

These come from as far back as the book store era, IIRC. Maybe CAPMart.

[SarDragon]

I've had them on the side of my vehicle, without any complaints from anyone.

Wow, I'm surprised at you. Falling back on that "but no one said anything" in a "I've been told, I've heard" kinda way.

Pays your money, takes your chances.

I figured I'd try it until someone told me 'no', and then I'd leave them off. Something about permission and forgiveness.

[Al Sayre]

I have a set for my truck I use when doing ELT hunts.  My WG/CC saw them. and said "Hey, those are pretty cool! Where can I get a set?"   That's enough approval for me... 

[JC004]

We had sets made with the emblem that say:
"OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CIVIL AIR PATROL
U.S. AIR FORCE AUXILIARY"

like the ones CAPMart had at the time, but better.

[a2capt]

I won't put the long ones on the car door unless I'm cruising around the airport- anymore.
'cause I had one disappear between airports in the middle of the night. Luckily, it landed on the side of the dark road face up and my spot light found it.

After securing the ELT in the hangar, and dealing with the Riverside County Sheriffs Dept., I went back along the same route pointing a spot light across the road onto the other shoulder out of suspicion since it was that side that came off. Of course, when no oncoming vehicles were present.

Found it a couple miles from the ELT airport. They were flat, but it must have found air.

[mynetdude]

They have two items titled 10" seal. One is actually the emblem, and is so identified in the description.

I presume we're talking about this:



CAPR 900-2, para 3.d.2) says one thing about its use. Table 1 says it slightly different, implying that WgCC approval is not necessarily required.

I've had them on the side of my vehicle, without any complaints from anyone.

YMMV.

Yes that's what I was looking for, AFAIK I thought this could be used if your POV is being used for CAP purposes so therefore it would be reasonable to use it as to whether or not it is allowed as per regs that's a different story.  I would prefer not to use wraps esp since it isn't allowed but you can't exactly take the wrap on/off whenever you want.

So this emblem is not available as a magnet??? Or was it available as a magnet at one time?

[a2capt]

Seems like it's always been you always had to do the magnet yourself, which every single one I've seen has been cut so well I swear they were professionally done, yet everyone says you have to get magnet stuff, and get the sticker.

I cut magnet material with a CNC laser, and it stinks, but it's perfectly shaped.

[mynetdude]

Seems like it's always been you always had to do the magnet yourself, which every single one I've seen has been cut so well I swear they were professionally done, yet everyone says you have to get magnet stuff, and get the sticker.

I cut magnet material with a CNC laser, and it stinks, but it's perfectly shaped.

Hmm sounds like more hassles than its worth

[Al Sayre]

They have two items titled 10" seal. One is actually the emblem, and is so identified in the description.

I presume we're talking about this:



CAPR 900-2, para 3.d.2) says one thing about its use. Table 1 says it slightly different, implying that WgCC approval is not necessarily required.

I've had them on the side of my vehicle, without any complaints from anyone.

YMMV.

Yes that's what I was looking for, AFAIK I thought this could be used if your POV is being used for CAP purposes so therefore it would be reasonable to use it as to whether or not it is allowed as per regs that's a different story.  I would prefer not to use wraps esp since it isn't allowed but you can't exactly take the wrap on/off whenever you want.

So this emblem is not available as a magnet??? Or was it available as a magnet at one time?

The Hock shop used to sell them as magnets, that's where I got mine, but alas they are no more...

[SarDragon]

The Bookstore/CAPMart used to sell the complete sticker-on-magnet item, but that did not carry over to Vanguard.

[a2capt]

So, I brought one of the new 7 pax Dodge vans to the meeting tonight, and a new senior member was asking .. "Why are they not using these things as marketing tools, putting stripes on them, etc.. "

So I said "don't give them any more ideas, they already did it ... and ... the look is .. " and I figured, I'd show him instead.

"That Is Ugly!" .. "What is that on the door? Thats not even our logo. Who at National looked at that on paper and .. approved that?!?!"

I told him *nothing*, I didn't even bring up the subject until he mentioned the van.

Kill TTT. ... yes.

[Spaceman3750]

So, I brought one of the new 7 pax Dodge vans to the meeting tonight, and a new senior member was asking .. "Why are they not using these things as marketing tools, putting stripes on them, etc.. "

The new Dodges are nice. After this weekend I love the 7pax vans for ground teams... Just the right size for the typical team around my parts + gear and it isn't a bear to drive (for the drivers anyways, I don't drive CAP vehicles yet) - just like driving any other minivan.

[ol'fido]

I'm not going to put a big CAP emblem on the side of my POV whether I'm doing CAP stuff or not. Passed through that phase in the mid-80's. But I see nothing wrong with a few decals in the back window of the pickup just like you see rolling down the interstate from CIBs, to unit patches, or whatever for the USAF, USA, USN, USMC, etc. Maybe some pilot wings, or a GT badge, a prop and triangle patch. Maybe even a cadet rank insignia with the cadet's name underneath it instead of a basketball or soccer ball.