Is there any recourse if a transfer is denied?
Appeal to the next higher headquarters.
Quote from: star1151 on March 26, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
Is there any recourse if a transfer is denied?
Check out CAPR 39-2 Chapter 1, Section B, Paragraph 1-11.
So it seems like if one disapproves, it's automatically forwarded up? Hmmmm.
We really need more information.
What is the reason for the transfer?
Is it just squadron to squadron?
Yes, it's just squadron to squadron. The reasons don't really matter, I don't think. Just politics, being misled to the point I don't even ask questions anymore, that kind of thing.
You don't mention who it is that denying the transfer and that could be important. As I understand it the commander of the unit to which you're requesting the transfer would initiate the online transfer procedure. I won't get into that here. The commander of your "old" unit has the opportunity to refuse it within a certain time frame. A short version of the procedure as I understand it.
The reality of the matter is that transfer's are ultimately at the mercy of the receiving commander. Just as a commander can refuse a new member application they so can refuse the "application" to join their unit by current members.
You can appeal up the chain but my gut instinct is that you may need to clear the air, and talk to your current commander. Tell them your reasons for wanting to leave and then politely ask them for assistance with your transfer.
Quote from: Camas on March 27, 2008, 02:04:23 AM
You don't mention who it is that denying the transfer and that could be important. As I understand it the commander of the unit to which you're requesting the transfer would initiate the online transfer procedure. I won't get into that here. The commander of your "old" unit has the opportunity to refuse it within a certain time frame. A short version of the procedure as I understand it.
You are absolutely correct... That is the procedure unless the member is asking for the transfer, then the world flips upside down and they have to try and get another unit commander to initiate a transfer for them
Again exactly why we need more information.
I wrote too quickly, guess I left that out. The "new" commander did initiate it and it was refused by the "old" one. I don't want to get into specifics of wanting the transfer.
I suppose the other solution is to let my membership expire and just reapply to the new squadron?
Quote from: MIKE on March 26, 2008, 11:45:13 PM
Appeal to the next higher headquarters.
Good advice - this is now your next step in accordance with CAPR 39-2
Generally the only acceptable reasons for the losing commander to refuse the transfer is if you owe the unit money or equipment or there is some kind of pending action being taken against you.
I would appeal the transfer first. Try to get the situation resolved on the lowest possible echelon if you can. If that doesn't work, then move up the chain. Be sure to document everything you do so you don't get in trouble for jumping the chain. If you have bad blood between you, and the unit you're transferring from, you'll want to CYA as much as possible. Don't let your membership expire. If you renew after expiration, you'll show back up in the unit that you're trying to leave.
Quote from: ♠Recruiter♠ on March 27, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
If you renew after expiration, you'll show back up in the unit that you're trying to leave.
Really? If you expire, don't you basically have to start back over? You can't just apply at a new unit?
Quote from: star1151 on March 27, 2008, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: ♠Recruiter♠ on March 27, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
If you renew after expiration, you'll show back up in the unit that you're trying to leave.
Really? If you expire, don't you basically have to start back over? You can't just apply at a new unit?
Absolutely not, your information is kept for I've seen up to 25+ years. If you rejoin within I think 3 years everything goes back to the way it was.
Beyond 3 years and there is some paperwork involved, for reinstatement of grade and similar items
Quote from: IceNine on March 27, 2008, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: star1151 on March 27, 2008, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: ♠Recruiter♠ on March 27, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
If you renew after expiration, you'll show back up in the unit that you're trying to leave.
Really? If you expire, don't you basically have to start back over? You can't just apply at a new unit?
Absolutely not, your information is kept for I've seen up to 25+ years. If you rejoin within I think 3 years everything goes back to the way it was.
Beyond 3 years and there is some paperwork involved, for reinstatement of grade and similar items
I was out for about 7 or 8 years back before eServices, and that whole online computer thing, and they still had some records on me. All the master records are tracked by SSAN.
As it turns out, my employer has solved my problem for me. :-) I just got a job transfer I've been wanting for over a year. Since I'm moving to a completely different wing, I think it'll be a little easier to sit down and have a rational discussion about letting me go.
Yes, likely the xfer process will be addressed by a new unit CC as a move issue, though don't be shocked if the new unit CC calls your old unit CC, its something I encourage mine to do.
Changing your zip code should not be an easy pass for people who can't work and play well with others.
Quote from: star1151 on April 04, 2008, 05:33:20 PM
As it turns out, my employer has solved my problem for me. :-) I just got a job transfer I've been wanting for over a year. Since I'm moving to a completely different wing, I think it'll be a little easier to sit down and have a rational discussion about letting me go.
What Wing are you moving into?
Quote from: Eclipse on April 04, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Yes, likely the xfer process will be addressed by a new unit CC as a move issue, though don't be shocked if the new unit CC calls your old unit CC, its something I encourage mine to do.
Changing your zip code should not be an easy pass for people who can't work and play well with others.
That's a rather large assumption when you don't know any of the story, don't you think? In reality, I wasn't playing *at all*, hence the reason for wanting a transfer. I haven't given any specifics here, but it's stuff that would frustrate anyone.
And yes, I hope whoever the new CC turns out to be does call him. Old CC has no issues with me, in fact, it turns out his reason for denying the transfer was for me to give his unit another chance. He has nothing bad to say about me at all.
Quote from: mikeylikey on April 04, 2008, 06:57:27 PM
Quote from: star1151 on April 04, 2008, 05:33:20 PM
As it turns out, my employer has solved my problem for me. :-) I just got a job transfer I've been wanting for over a year. Since I'm moving to a completely different wing, I think it'll be a little easier to sit down and have a rational discussion about letting me go.
What Wing are you moving into?
Oklahoma.
Edited to add: That sounds strange I was looking forward to it, but true.
Quote from: star1151 on April 04, 2008, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 04, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Yes, likely the xfer process will be addressed by a new unit CC as a move issue, though don't be shocked if the new unit CC calls your old unit CC, its something I encourage mine to do.
Changing your zip code should not be an easy pass for people who can't work and play well with others.
That's a rather large assumption when you don't know any of the story, don't you think? In reality, I wasn't playing *at all*, hence the reason for wanting a transfer. I haven't given any specifics here, but it's stuff that would frustrate anyone.
No, its not.
That statement was not intended as a comment on whatever your particular situation is/was. There are plenty of instances where members have non-trivial behavior or performance issues they think the can wash away with a transfer, as if every unit is an island.
Quote from: Eclipse on April 05, 2008, 02:20:06 AM
Quote from: star1151 on April 04, 2008, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 04, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Yes, likely the xfer process will be addressed by a new unit CC as a move issue, though don't be shocked if the new unit CC calls your old unit CC, its something I encourage mine to do.
Changing your zip code should not be an easy pass for people who can't work and play well with others.
That's a rather large assumption when you don't know any of the story, don't you think? In reality, I wasn't playing *at all*, hence the reason for wanting a transfer. I haven't given any specifics here, but it's stuff that would frustrate anyone.
No, its not.
That statement was not intended as a comment on whatever your particular situation is/was. There are plenty of instances where members have non-trivial behavior or performance issues they think the can wash away with a transfer, as if every unit is an island.
I would think any issues your unit has with you would transfer with you in your files and your new unit CC would be aware of this via email/telephone and it would be up to the new unit CC from that point on.
Quote from: star1151 on April 04, 2008, 10:05:58 PM
Old CC has no issues with me, in fact, it turns out his reason for denying the transfer was for me to give his unit another chance. He has nothing bad to say about me at all.
When a member gives up on a unit, the old CC should have the good grace to wish them well and let them transfer. If the old CC had been serious about addressing the member's issues, then the old CC would have had an immediate discussion with the member to resolve the issues. If the member still wants to transfer, the old CC should have approved it.
CAP shouldn't be playing STOP LOSS.