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Started by Commo, May 16, 2017, 03:04:56 AM

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kwe1009

Quote from: sarmed1 on May 18, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on May 16, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on May 16, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
The Air Force has it's own Overseas Ribbons, and when wearing the Air Force (CAP) uniform you would normally wear the host services ribbon. For example I served in both the USMC and US Army. I earned the Overseas Ribbon and Sea Service Deployment ribbons while a Marine, but upon joining the Army I wore the Army OS Ribbon

I do not believe that is correct and I have never heard of that in over 30 years in the USAF.  It might be an Army or Marine Corp thing but it certainly doesn't apply to the Air Force and thus it doesn't apply to CAP either.  You wear the ribbons you were awarded, regardless of the service.

The closest I have seen this is when I switched from the Army NG to the USAF Reserve in regards to small arms qualification.  Since the Army wears a badge and the AF a ribbon, someone in the MPF converted my expert quals for rifle and pistol into the ribbon in my personnel folder.   Although, the vMPF still incorrectly shows me has having the AF training Ribbon vs the Army Training ribbon even though I have sent them numerous correction requests.  I just wear the Army one.....

MK

vMPF is quite the joke.  I went years with having incorrect ribbons on it but when I got my DD-214 the incorrect ribbons weren't on it even though vMPF still showed them.  I asked the MPF person and he told me that vMPF is not necessarily official.  I left it at that but it is pretty mixed up.  I would like to be about to see the "official" system some day.

LATORRECA

Just get whatever you want gentlemen.  In the USA we don't punished the Stolen Valor DB.  According to the supreme court. They have the right to lie or wear whatever, because their are exercising their freedom of speech or expression

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Commo

Quote from: LATORRECA on May 20, 2017, 09:48:46 PM
Just get whatever you want gentlemen.  In the USA we don't punished the Stolen Valor DB.  According to the supreme court. They have the right to lie or wear whatever, because their are exercising their freedom of speech or expression


With all due respect, that response is totally inappropriate.

The "Stolen Valor" act still exists in a re-worded form focused on acts "with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit."  This side-steps the "freedom to lie of speech" loophole used in the earlier version.  Unauthorized wear of a military uniform in general is also prohibited under 10 USC 771, although this is unlikely to be prosecuted unless it crosses the line from "freedom of speech" to impersonation, attempting to gain entry to a military facility, falsely claim benefits, etc.

For those still serving in active or reserve capacity, wearing unauthorized awards is punishable by UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), to include incarceration.  Fun fact: when I lived in Kansas, I met a man who worked at Fort Leavenworth.  When discussing life and military over a Thanksgiving dinner, he stated that the majority of the residents were doing time for unauthorized wear of awards.  Admittedly, I do not have details or context for that statement: I do not know if unauthorized wear was the only offense, or if it was stacked onto other, more serious charges.  I can state that the military's definition of "more serious charges" differs from a civilian court.  While stationed in Germany, I personally escorted two individuals to the stockade after their court martial.  The offenses I recall were 1) selling marijuana in the barracks, and 2) ordering and selling computer parts.  I estimate the latter at only a few hundred dollars.

I'm not going to read and quote the Air Force regs, but as a civilian auxiliary to a military branch, I expect the AF set clear guidance on the proper wear of their uniform.  I trust (hope?) that CAP national reiterates and reinforces this standard down to the unit level.

While some units may not feel its worth the time investment to verify records, ask questions, and check the integrity of those wearing the uniform over a bit of colored ribbon, in my opinion that's not the real issue. Improper wear of the uniform is "an" issue, yes, but the greater issue is the character flaws that are revealed in individuals who wallow in this sort of activity.  If an individual is willing to lie, cheat, and steal for a bit of fluff on the uniform and seasoning for their story-telling, what else are they capable of?

Two examples just from captalk (and only one individual was convicted of murder and fraud)

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=21541.0

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=16176.0

In closing, I vehemently disagree with your statement of "Just get whatever you want gentlemen."  It's immoral, likely illegal, conflicts with AF regulation and CAP values, and reveals or deepens flaws in character.  As you sent via mobile, it is possible that the post was in frustration and not your full opinion, but at the moment, it is your last word on the matter and is what other members and cadets will see.

Regards,

Commo


HandsomeWalt_USMC

Commo, I am certain Top Latorre is being sarcastic. He is a Master Sergeant of Marines as well as being a CAP Officer. As his brother Marine and fellow CAP Officer, I appreciate and agree with every point you've made in your post other than assuming that he was serious. Alas, tone does not come across well in forum posts. I admire your drive to see right done, Commo. You'll be a fine addition to CAP, we always need more men of integrity and honor!
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Commo

Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on May 23, 2017, 08:27:41 PM
... other than assuming that he was serious. Alas, tone does not come across well in forum posts.

All right, then.  Thank you for clarifying.  I was not certain if this post was in seriousness, frustration, trolling, or sarcasm, but in any event, I could not let that be the last response readers would see.

Thank you,

Commo.