CAP Drivers License

[LC]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

[bassque]

I'm not sure it matters.  I have a Nevada drivers license but am joining the California wing.  Just moved here a few months ago and haven't transferred anything over but it hasn't been a problem so far.

[a2capt]

Thats probably best routed to the person at the Wing level that processes your application with DMV printout.

Though AZ, like probably every other state has regulations on driver license and residential status. If you're there for college, you probably can keep the IA license, but if you've declared this your residence..

Lastly, there is a bit about cadets operating *any* vehicle, in that it can't contain other cadets. (Operating a vehicle under the authority of a CAP driver license) plus any issues or limitations of a provisional license that you may be subject to, would also carry over to CAP.

[tsrup]

We have a member at our squadron (in South Dakota) who has a Minnesota Driver's license.  AFIK he still hasn't gotten approval. 

If anyone has encountered this situation and has had it resolved I would be interested in the process as well.

[LC]

Travis, I'll let you know when I get  the answer since I was from NCR-SD-058! 

[a2capt]

Ah... see, you fixed that sig.. That removes half of a possible issue right there.

[tsrup]

I thought I recognized the name, I believe you were on your way out, when I was on my way in.

[LC]

Ah... see, you fixed that sig.. That removes half of a possible issue right there.

Yes, it goes to show how much I use this forum!

[LC]

I thought I recognized the name, I believe you were on your way out, when I was on my way in.

Yes, something like that... You were around for a few meeting when i was still a cadet.

[davidsinn]

Lastly, there is a bit about cadets operating *any* vehicle, in that it can't contain other cadets.

That's a myth. Check the KB.

(Operating a vehicle under the authority of a CAP driver license) plus any issues or limitations of a provisional license that you may be subject to, would also carry over to CAP.

Cadets and Flight Officers can't drive COVs so they can't get an F75.

[a2capt]

That's a myth. Check the KB.

Linky ... Last line:

e. Cadet use of golf type utility vehicles will be restricted to cadets 18 years of age or older with verification of a valid driver's license and then only with approval of the national/ region/wing commander (as appropriate for the level of activity being performed) or commander's designated representative. There will be no other cadet passengers in or on any vehicle being operated by a cadet.

Which leads to the ambiguity of.. there is a possibility, because it does say "Any vehicle".

[davidsinn]

That's a myth. Check the KB.

Linky ... Last line:

e. Cadet use of golf type utility vehicles will be restricted to cadets 18 years of age or older with verification of a valid driver's license and then only with approval of the national/ region/wing commander (as appropriate for the level of activity being performed) or commander's designated representative. There will be no other cadet passengers in or on any vehicle being operated by a cadet.

Which leads to the ambiguity of.. there is a possibility, because it does say "Any vehicle".

Wrong question. That is referring to golf carts and the like.

Link

Member Owned Vehicles. The general rule is that travel to and from CAP meetings, conferences, encampments, and other CAP activities in CAP member owned/furnished vehicles is not considered a part of CAP official travel and, therefore, is performed at the risk of the member—not CAP. CAP assumes absolutely no liability for such travel, which is known as the "home-to-work rule." CAP unit commanders may, on a case-by-case basis, specifically authorize the use of a member's vehicle, which will make that use the responsibility of CAP and be covered by CAP's vehicle liability policy, but that prerogative should be exercised only in unusual situations. See CAPR 77-1.

[a2capt]

My focus on that was the inclusion of "any vehicle", in the final sentence. While it is part of para. e., it does start anew and change the scope by specifying "any vehicle", thus leaving it open to ... interpretation.  The whole problem with all this stuff.

[davidsinn]

My focus on that was the inclusion of "any vehicle", in the final sentence. While it is part of para. e., it does start anew and change the scope by specifying "any vehicle", thus leaving it open to ... interpretation.  The whole problem with all this stuff.

In trying to remember by english classes from HS I seem to recall that a paragraph should only consist of one idea. Thus it makes sense that the line was referring to the subject of the paragraph which is golf carts and UTVs. This especially holds true when you consider my quote which is in opposition to your assertion.

[a2capt]

You're right. I totally agree.

These are CAP regulations and manuals here. If there were uniformity, it wouldn't be so bad.

[JC004]

You're right. I totally agree.

These are CAP regulations and manuals here. If there were uniformity, it wouldn't be so bad.

No worries!  High on my National Commander agenda!

[Thrashed]

I applied about 6 times for a CAP DL in my wing.  I followed the procedures listed on the wing website. It took 2 years to actually get a CAP DL.  Hopefully, you will not have the same experience. 

[ßτε]

Just for clarification:

1-7. Vehicle Operators and Authorized Passengers.
a. Members 21 years of age or older, who are properly licensed to operate specific vehicle types according to applicable local and state laws and who possess a valid CAPF 75, are permitted to operate COVs or TUVs. Members under 21 years of age, but at least 18 years of age, may be permitted to operate general purpose CAP owned vehicles (sedans, station wagons, 7-passenger vans or pickup trucks). They may not carry passengers or tow trailers. They must also have written or electronic approval from their unit commander to do so. Members between the ages of 18 and 21must comply with licensing provisions and documentation requirements listed in Paragraph 1-5. Except for the below listed exclusions, only CAP members are permitted to ride as passengers in COVs, TUVs or golf cart type utility vehicles. Non-members may ride as passengers when their presence contributes to the CAP program. Region and wing commanders shall approve, in writing, non-member passengers in advance of travel.

[ßτε]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

You might want to look here to determine if you need an AZ DL: http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/azwelcome.asp

[LC]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

You might want to look here to determine if you need an AZ DL: http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/azwelcome.asp

I can't apply for a AZ DL until i get proof of my new address, which I'm moving into in about a week.. but i need the drivers license for an Activity in a month.

[a2capt]

On the other hand, I will say, here in California Wing, I have never had a hassle with getting initials, or renewing anyones CAPF 75 in my unit. I have gotten same day service without even asking, and the paper shows up in the mail an a couple days. They typically have the service available at the Wing Conference, too, and they issue them right there.

[a2capt]

You need a report, so get one from IA now, though that may be a different kind of issue since you are in AZ. Perhaps your signed lease or any other item of utility (APS/SRP) arrangement,  might serve as a proof of address with the AZ driver license office? AZ may not have a full driver history to give you a printout of, initially either. That report from IA now might be a better thing.

[LC]

You need a report, so get one from IA now, though that may be a different kind of issue since you are in AZ. Perhaps your signed lease or any other item of utility (APS/SRP) arrangement,  might serve as a proof of address with the AZ driver license office? AZ may not have a full driver history to give you a printout of, initially either. That report from IA now might be a better thing.

Okay, Thank you! I'm just running out of time, so I'm trying to get this done.

[RADIOMAN015]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

IF you live in AZ, there would be a requirement as a resident that you change your drivers license to AZ (unless you are in the military on active duty) within a certain period of time after living there.  I think your application to the wing is DOA until that gets done.  How would they know if you were suspended or not in AZ   Why would you keep an IA drivers license if you are a AZ resident?  You might just be driving illegal in the state
RM

[LC]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

IF you live in AZ, there would be a requirement as a resident that you change your drivers license to AZ (unless you are in the military on active duty) within a certain period of time after living there.  I think your application to the wing is DOA until that gets done.  How would they know if you were suspended or not in AZ   Why would you keep an IA drivers license if you are a AZ resident?  You might just be driving illegal in the state
RM

Knowledge base answer!

What are the procedures for obtaining a CAP driver's license?

   Answer
   
Procedures are covered in Paragraph 1-5 (see below) of   CAPR 77-1 Operation and Maintenance of CAP Vehicles 8 OCTOBER 2010 INCLUDES CHANGE 1, 1 MARCH 2011 .

1. Definitions.
a. CAP owned vehicle (COV). Any wheel-mounted vehicle or trailer for highway or land use, owned by and titled in the name of Civil Air Patrol.
b. Temporary use vehicle (TUV). A vehicle rented, leased, or borrowed by a CAP unit to accomplish its mission.
c. Privately owned vehicle (POV). Any vehicle not included in 1a or 1b above that is owned, leased, rented, or borrowed by an individual or organization other than CAP.

1-5. Vehicle operators will:
a. Operate COVs in strict compliance with federal, state, commonwealth or local laws, regulations and ordinances governing operation of motor vehicles.
b. Possess both a valid state driver's license (copy to be filed with CAP member's personnel record) and a CAPF 75, CAP Motor Vehicle Operator Identification Card, certified and signed by the region commander/logistics officer or wing commander/logistics officer or transportation officer. Corporate headquarters personnel do not require a CAPF 75 and are authorized to operate CAP corporate vehicles as long as they have a valid state driver license and are listed on the National Headquarters vehicle driver list.
c. Obtain a CAPF 75 by furnishing the *issuing authority a current copy of member's state driver's record showing any driving violations received within the 2 years preceding the date of request. The issuing authority shall review the member's driving record and determine whether or not he or she constitutes a liability risk. If an applicant has one or more of the following convictions within the previous 2 years, a CAPF 75 will not be issued:
(1) DUI/DWI.
(2) Three or more moving violations.
(3) Six or more nonliving violations.
(4) Reckless driving.
(5) Vehicle felony (hit and run, negligent homicide, theft, assault with a motor vehicle).
Note: The wing commander, logistics officer or transportation officer shall review violations other than those listed above to determine if a CAPF 75 will be issued.
d. Commission of any driving offenses listed above will be reported to the wing commander immediately and will result in revocation of the member's CAPF 75 and suspension of all CAP driving privileges. The wing commander will determine the length of suspension. Permanent revocation of CAP driving privileges should also be considered depending upon the severity of the violation.
e. CAP units will file and maintain copies of the driver's record in the member's personnel record, after issuance of the operator identification card.
f. A CAP member automatically loses COV operating privileges upon revocation of state driver's license.
g. The issuing authority or designated alternate, will re validate the CAPF 75 by reviewing member's civilian driving record at the time a member renews his/her state driver's license, or every 5 years, whichever occurs first. The wing commander may require a review of member's civilian driving records more frequently.

*Note: Issuing Authority. Check with your wing transportation officer as some wings request a copy of the member's driving record directly.

Sources for Driver's Records  (Note: Link(s) will open a new browser window and leave this site.) LINKS OR REFERENCES TO INDIVIDUALS OR COMPANIES DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN ENDORSEMENT OF ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE YOU MAY RECEIVE FROM SUCH SOURCES.
Links To Division Of Drivers License Sites By State
How to get your DMV Driving Record

OBTAINING A DRIVING RECORD

State by State Listing of Department of Public Safety/Motor Vehicles Offices

Also see Answer 809: Driving a CAP vehicle Click Here

It does not say anything about having the AZ license to get a AZ CAP drivers license.

[ol'fido]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

IF you live in AZ, there would be a requirement as a resident that you change your drivers license to AZ (unless you are in the military on active duty) within a certain period of time after living there.  I think your application to the wing is DOA until that gets done.  How would they know if you were suspended or not in AZ   Why would you keep an IA drivers license if you are a AZ resident?  You might just be driving illegal in the state
RM

Let's see....

Military(PCS, TDY, Trainee, etc)
College/University Student
Snowbird

Probably a half dozen other reasons why someone is living in one state and has a license from another. The only reason you need to switch your license is if you become a PERMANENT resident(military excluded), but not if you are a TEMPORARY or ITINERANT resident who primary residence is in another state.

[a2capt]

I lived in AZ with a CA license for a while, a little thing called college .. there's always a reason.

It was troll free for a week, what happened?

[LC]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

IF you live in AZ, there would be a requirement as a resident that you change your drivers license to AZ (unless you are in the military on active duty) within a certain period of time after living there.  I think your application to the wing is DOA until that gets done.  How would they know if you were suspended or not in AZ   Why would you keep an IA drivers license if you are a AZ resident?  You might just be driving illegal in the state
RM

Let's see....

Military(PCS, TDY, Trainee, etc)
College/University Student
Snowbird

Probably a half dozen other reasons why someone is living in one state and has a license from another. The only reason you need to switch your license is if you become a PERMANENT resident(military excluded), but not if you are a TEMPORARY or ITINERANT resident who primary residence is in another state.

Thank you, people need to learn to not jump the gun so much! 

[jimmydeanno]

I've been in three different wings, far away from each other and still retained my home of record DL.  No CAP wing has given me an issue with requesting a CAP DL.

They wanted to make sure that I was a member of their wing (so they were the approving authority)
They wanted a DMV record produced within the time frame
They wanted to know that my license was valid
They wanted to know that I could drive the vans safely

Are you officially a member of their wing, yet?

[SoCalMarine]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

Most Wings want you to provide a DMV report for the last five years for any state you had a license with during that time period. What state you had in the past, or currently have, makes no difference. Most Wings prefer, but don't require, that you obtain an in-state license especially considering every state has a time frame/residency requirements for you to change your license and registration.

[LC]

I've been in three different wings, far away from each other and still retained my home of record DL.  No CAP wing has given me an issue with requesting a CAP DL.

They wanted to make sure that I was a member of their wing (so they were the approving authority)
They wanted a DMV record produced within the time frame
They wanted to know that my license was valid
They wanted to know that I could drive the vans safely

Are you officially a member of their wing, yet?

Yes, i'm a member of Arizona Wing!

[RADIOMAN015]

The question I have is being new to AZ wing, I'm trying to apply for a driver license i need for an activity this summer. Do I need an Arizona license or can i use my Iowa license to apply for a CAP drivers license?

IF you live in AZ, there would be a requirement as a resident that you change your drivers license to AZ (unless you are in the military on active duty) within a certain period of time after living there.  I think your application to the wing is DOA until that gets done.  How would they know if you were suspended or not in AZ   Why would you keep an IA drivers license if you are a AZ resident?  You might just be driving illegal in the state
RM

Knowledge base answer!

What are the procedures for obtaining a CAP driver's license?
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It does not say anything about having the AZ license to get a AZ CAP drivers license.

Surely some may feel I am trolling :angel:.  Frankly the corporation has to protect itself ensuring that an individual is properly licensed to operate in the appropriate wing's state, based upon the facts that are known about the member by the issuing authority and the state law for that particular state on out of state licenses.   Furthermore for your own personal financial protection I'd highly recommend you talk with YOUR insurance company (insurer) about driving a CAP vehicle (likely a van) to see if you will need a rider to your insurance policy.  Do what you are comfortable with BUT I hope you understand completely the potential personal financial liability if you are deemed "at fault" in any accident involving a CAP vehicle you are operating    Otherwise good luck and be safe driving that CAP vehicle.
RM     

[ol'fido]

^^^^^^^^

Does anyone out there have a graphic or an emoticon that depicts someone constantly banging their head on the wall?

[davidsinn]

^^^^^^^^

Does anyone out there have a graphic or an emoticon that depicts someone constantly banging their head on the wall?

[JC004]

[ol'fido]

Thank you!!! Thank you very much. Elvis has LEFT the building.