Oregon Wing Authorizes New Covert Flightsuit Uniform?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Hey, I'm all for showing what we do. But the PAO can be in his blues, while the pilot has the flight suit on for the demonstration.

[wuzafuzz]

I'd say technically maybe, yes and no.

Maybe because you are in a flight suit near an aircraft so it is legit and may have been there for a SAREx/mission at the time.
Yes because the uniform is appropriate to the subject.
No because the Public Affairs types will insist on Blues for media interaction.

I hate when PA dictates uniforms.  Yes the PAO types in most situations should be in blues or corportes....but when the press wants to see CAP in action they want to see BDUs and Flight suits.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Gunner C]

So would this have been better?

YES!

(Just open the hanger doors before engine start) 

[flyerthom]

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I hate when PA dictates uniforms.  Yes the PAO types in most situations should be in blues or corporates....but when the press wants to see CAP in action they want to see BDUs and Flight suits.
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Like you guys would actually pay attention to me 

I think we should submit it as a new uniform combination. That hat is sharp   

[lordmonar]

Like you guys would actually pay attention to me 

I think we should submit it as a new uniform combination. That hat is sharp   

Only if you pomise to get me on the cover of the next Silver Wings!

[Nick]

No because the Public Affairs types will insist on Blues for media interaction.

Not always the case.  There are quite a few who believe that it is oftentimes more important to show CAP members in "work" uniforms rather than the ones that just look pretty.

Public affairs types can insist on blues all they want ... do you really want a pilot getting an action shot IN a plane (not even just standing around it, but actually IN it) wearing blues?  No, the uniform should fit the job at hand.  PA can show up to meet the press with their blues if they want.  A side note -- anyone seen the Sporty's pilot ground school DVD?  They have quite a bit of B-roll showing CAP aircrew standing next to a CAP plane doing flight planning.  Guess what: They were in flight suits.

Actually Eagle, it's a pretty [darn] good picture -- nice and poster boy-style photogenic.  I think it's a good public image versus, I'm sorry guys, but some pictures I see floating out there of an extremely "senior" member in a flight suit that looks like it came through WWII.

[w7sar]

So would this have been better?

Nice photo.

[flyerthom]

Like you guys would actually pay attention to me 

I think we should submit it as a new uniform combination. That hat is sharp   

Only if you pomise to get me on the cover of the next Silver Wings!

Your the centerfold 

I wanna photoshop a wing patch on the dude in this thread for the cover!

Wanna help edit?

[Major Carrales]

No because the Public Affairs types will insist on Blues for media interaction.

Not always the case.  There are quite a few who believe that it is oftentimes more important to show CAP members in "work" uniforms rather than the ones that just look pretty.

Public affairs types can insist on blues all they want ... do you really want a pilot getting an action shot IN a plane (not even just standing around it, but actually IN it) wearing blues?  No, the uniform should fit the job at hand.  PA can show up to meet the press with their blues if they want.  A side note -- anyone seen the Sporty's pilot ground school DVD?  They have quite a bit of B-roll showing CAP aircrew standing next to a CAP plane doing flight planning.  Guess what: They were in flight suits.

Actually Eagle, it's a pretty [darn] good picture -- nice and poster boy-style photogenic.  I think it's a good public image versus, I'm sorry guys, but some pictures I see floating out there of an extremely "senior" member in a flight suit that looks like it came through WWII.

I agree, that the photo should be commiserate to the job at hand.  Should have been flight suit or Golf Shirt. I only insist on "blues" if we are posing for photos of awards (as in if we are getting some plaque or something down at City Hall or in a formal setting).  BDUs for the field types et al.

Now, as for the image.  If it was put out by a CAP-PAO, same on them.  Our folks have to monitor such things and even, at times, display "PhotoShop Wizardry."  But if it was a film or camera crew from the paper hopping by the hangar where people might be at work or come directly from work, civilian clothes photoed by a journalistic photographer can be excused since they are not bound to honor or be obliged by our rules and regulations.

[Nick]

I only insist on "blues" if we are posing for photos of awards (as in if we are getting some plaque or something down at City Hall or in a formal setting).  BDUs for the field types et al.

Absolutely.  I almost insist that members be in blues to receive awards (something stolen from my RM™ level of standards).

[rmcmanus]

McLarty:  Don't knock the "senior "types.  Many have done the great work that allows you to utilize the equipment (new Cessnas, vans, etc) to accomplish your mission today.  If you live long enough and remain in CAP, you'll be there yourself some day.  And please, don't come back with the excuse that you were talking about old or unkept flight suits.  Any disparaging reference to our older members is out of line.

[Майор Хаткевич]

McLarty:  Don't knock the "senior "types.  Many have done the great work that allows you to utilize the equipment (new Cessnas, vans, etc) to accomplish your mission today.  If you live long enough and remain in CAP, you'll be there yourself some day.  And please, don't come back with the excuse that you were talking about old or unkept flight suits.  Any disparaging reference to our older members is out of line.

Actually I think the point was not to knock anyone but point out that a 50-something shows a younger face of the organization than a founding member.

How many 20-30 somethings will want to join an organization that seems to be run by their grandparents?

[rmcmanus]

USAFaux2004:  Regardless of the intent, no segment of our membership should be disparaged!

[Майор Хаткевич]

dis·par·age  (d-sprj)
tr.v. dis·par·aged, dis·par·ag·ing, dis·par·ag·es
1. To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way; belittle. See Synonyms at decry.
2. To reduce in esteem or rank.

I've seen what he said in RL, and he qualified his statement. Disparage he did not.

[rmcmanus]

Your grammar lesson precisely makes my point.  Does anyone else understand what I meant?

[Eclipse]

So would this have been better?

Yes, 100% with a couple of comments.

Once-over the aircraft before the photo to insure things like decals aren't falling off.

Connect an APU so you can light the displays.

I also agree that the member in the original photo should have been in a uniform of some kind.  In fact, if he had to move the airplane
outside for the photo, he may have bent a reg or two being in civvies.

[SilverEagle2]

APU was installed and the displays are lit. The anti-glare of the G1000 is preventing the camera from getting the screens. (Or perhaps the aperture of the camera  )

As for the decals, problem has been addressed. 

I by no means was touting this personal photo as a perfect example, rather asking if it was MUCH closer to the expectations of the membership here.

[Eclipse]

APU was installed and the displays are lit. The anti-glare of the G1000 is preventing the camera from getting the screens.

Green screen the panels and then send the photo to ILM before allowing the media to use it!

[SilverEagle2]

If I had that budget! I should green screen the outside too! 

Good thoughts though for future consideration

[Camas]

I also agree that the member in the original photo should have been in a uniform of some kind.  In fact, if he had to move the airplane
outside for the photo, he may have bent a reg or two being in civvies.

His commander, who happens to be a friend of mine, is aware of the situation and is dealing with it. 'Nuf said.