Cadet Weapons Qualifications Badge

Started by skippytim, March 23, 2008, 03:09:38 AM

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skippytim

Is there such thing? Recently at an activity we shot to qualify for CAP and they said we can get a badge; but I don't know anything about it and I can't find anything either.

Short Field

Why would we be qualifing cadets on weapons since they are prohibited on missions?  I can see it be a real fun thing for the cadets (and useful for some depending on where they live).  But needed in CAP?

I fully support gun control - just ignore the fact I buy my ammo in 1,000 round lots.   ;)

SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

CASH172

Cadets may wear the NRA Qualification Badges.  Take a look at CAPM 39-1. 

IceNine

Did you qualify NRA or Military?

if NRA then obviously you will wear the NRA qual badges.

If you qualified Military then you wear the badge that you qualified for by military standards.  At least that is what I was told WIWAC,  however 39-1 is very vague on military badges and only says wear what you qualify for and provides no guidance on what can, cannot, or whatever can be worn
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

CASH172

I thought military badges could only be earned for CAP wear if you were in the RM. 

IceNine

Hang tight working on documentation to support my currently un-founded claims
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

Short Field

Yep, found it.  Jr NRA Marksmanship Badge - earned IAW NRA program.

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Wilson #2640

Short Field

CAPM 39-1, 5-4:  Military service ribbons may be worn on the CAP AF-style uniform provided they were awarded in writing by competent military authority.
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

IceNine

You didn't get it all and these few words change the meaning completely

CAPR 39-1 6-7

CAP members may wear only the US military badges authorized for wear on the US Air Force uniform when earned through qualification and awarded by competent authority for service performed in any branch of the Armed Forces of the United States or its allies

emphasis mine

Which means you are correct only badges earned during military service are authorized

So, it looks like the JNRA badges are the only firearms related badges that can be earned without military service
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

Short Field

I agree with you but think the phrase "competent military authority" should cover that as well.  But CAPR 39-1 6-7 makes it crystal clear.
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Wilson #2640

IceNine

 
Quote from: Short Field on March 23, 2008, 04:28:26 AM
I agree with you but think the phrase "competent military authority" should cover that as well.  But CAPR 39-1 6-7 makes it crystal clear.

???

Not real sure what you mean

I hope your not saying its ok if you chop off the last few words to make it say what you want
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

jb512

Cadets can qualify for and wear NRA marksmanship badges on the left pocket flap of the blue shirt and service dress jacket.  Some of the badges are listed here:

http://materials.nrahq.org/go/products.aspx?cat=Medals%20and%20Bars


afgeo4

GEORGE LURYE

Gunner C

Quote from: afgeo4 on March 23, 2008, 05:46:59 AM
Why is this just limited to cadets?

I don't think that it passes "The Air Force Test."  USAF doesn't have marksmanship badges - they have the pickle ribbon for qualifications instead.  Cadets are into blingage and we're happy to ablige.

Heck, I can't wear my foreign jump wings, either.

GC

nesagsar

It would appear that this is how it works

Cadets- You can wear the NRA shooting badges on the Blues uniform if you have earned them.

Seniors- You can wear military shooting badges on the blues uniform if you have written authority.

This sucks for me because when I was a cadet I earned the Air Force Expert rating with the M-16a2 at encampment but I cant wear the ribbon.

skippytim

I was NRA Qualified. So I suppose this is the badge I'll need to purchase:
http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=EQ%2010512

I qualified according to the range instructor, but I havn't sent in my target yet. Anyone have a link with info on that? And is there something special I have to do to wear the badge on my blues?

JohnKachenmeister

Quote from: nesagsar on March 23, 2008, 05:56:27 AM
It would appear that this is how it works

Cadets- You can wear the NRA shooting badges on the Blues uniform if you have earned them.

Seniors- You can wear military shooting badges on the blues uniform if you have written authority.

This sucks for me because when I was a cadet I earned the Air Force Expert rating with the M-16a2 at encampment but I cant wear the ribbon.

Not quite.

You could wear the Air Force or the Navy or the Coast Guard RIBBONS for marksmanship.  You cannot wear the Army or Marine Corps BADGES for marksmanship because those badges are not authorized on the Air Force uniform.
Another former CAP officer

Hawk200

Quote from: skippytim on March 23, 2008, 08:07:03 AM
I was NRA Qualified. So I suppose this is the badge I'll need to purchase:
http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=EQ%2010512

I qualified according to the range instructor, but I havn't sent in my target yet. Anyone have a link with info on that? And is there something special I have to do to wear the badge on my blues?

Uh, no. Before you go buying like crazy, I can tell you for a fact, that's not the right one. I've seen an actual Jr NRA Marskmanship badge, that's not it. I'll get back to you when I actually find the right one.

Now did you only fire one time at this "qualification"? Because a single target, or even a single day of, shooting isn't gonna qualify you for NRA badges. The programs require a great deal of time, usually several months and several competitions that are specifically organized.

Unless your "qualification" was run in accordance with NRA rules, you probably won't even be able to buy a badge from the NRA.

Flying Pig

OK, Im a little confused.  Does this mean I can wear my USMC rifle and pistol badge?  Or does the "authorized for wear on an AF uniform" cover that?

Hawk200

Quote from: Flying Pig on March 23, 2008, 07:47:31 PM
OK, Im a little confused.  Does this mean I can wear my USMC rifle and pistol badge?  Or does the "authorized for wear on an AF uniform" cover that?

No, you may not. The only marksmanship badges allowed are from certain NRA or CMP programs. No other marksmanship badges are authorized on CAP or even Air Force uniforms.

A lot of people see the Rifle or Pistol badges in Table 6-5, and assume that it means any pistol or rifle badges are authorized. It's an incorrect assumption.