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Trung Si Ma
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2007, 04:45:58 AM »

Short final to 34 at Merrill Field, Anchorage, maybe 100' of altitude, and a 210 decides that the tower's instruction to "...hold short for the Cardinal on short final..." meant to pull forward onto the numbers.

Throttle, gear, flaps, carb heat, breathe.
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genejackson
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2007, 11:03:31 AM »

Ryan,
Yes - the Encampment staff were loading up people into the vehicles to come to my LNP (last known point) as I called my LAT/LONG to them.   As they were heading out from the BKT Airport where they were using as a get ready point, I had already landed and called on my cell that I was OK and for everyone to stand down.   They still sent a van with two people to help me pull the airplane off the runway and get me home.
Also, we pulled the number 4 jug off the engine and it had a whopper of a crack going 270 degrees around it.  See picture attached
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Gene Jackson
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2007, 12:35:10 PM »

Ryan,
Yes - the Encampment staff were loading up people into the vehicles to come to my LNP (last known point) as I called my LAT/LONG to them.   As they were heading out from the BKT Airport where they were using as a get ready point, I had already landed and called on my cell that I was OK and for everyone to stand down.   They still sent a van with two people to help me pull the airplane off the runway and get me home.
Also, we pulled the number 4 jug off the engine and it had a whopper of a crack going 270 degrees around it.  See picture attached


Wow Gene. I'm actually surprised that there wasn't a fire in air. You never know what could happen. It's good that a team still came even though they got the ok to stand down. It shows the dedication we have to each other.
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genejackson
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2007, 12:44:07 PM »

Oh, FIRE you say.   Take a look at this picture.   I was IFR at 10,000' msl going from OKV to DAN in another airplane last month and had a whopping smell of AVGAS in the cockpit as I adjusted my fuel flow.   Good thing was this came from the #5 cylinder and not #1 or #3.   #5 was most near the firewall.   Fuel from the #1 or #3 intake line would have sprayed AVGAS on the exhaust manifold.   The blue you see on the firewall and engine mount is the coloring added to 100LL AVGAS.

This was a T model 182 and it had undergone the mandatory check for injection line leakage within the past 20 hrs (AD 2002-26-01 for you A&P gurus).

Landed safely and mechanic tightened the line.  No further leaks although I did have to throw away those pants as I'd never get the smell out.
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Gene Jackson
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2007, 04:10:04 PM »

Oh, FIRE you say.   Take a look at this picture.   I was IFR at 10,000' msl going from OKV to DAN in another airplane last month and had a whopping smell of AVGAS in the cockpit as I adjusted my fuel flow.   Good thing was this came from the #5 cylinder and not #1 or #3.   #5 was most near the firewall.   Fuel from the #1 or #3 intake line would have sprayed AVGAS on the exhaust manifold.   The blue you see on the firewall and engine mount is the coloring added to 100LL AVGAS.

This was a T model 182 and it had undergone the mandatory check for injection line leakage within the past 20 hrs (AD 2002-26-01 for you A&P gurus).

Landed safely and mechanic tightened the line.  No further leaks although I did have to throw away those pants as I'd never get the smell out.
Pucker and smile.  Pucker and smile.

Congrats on making it through those two incidents.  You haven't considered, like, not flying anymore have you?
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2007, 04:29:13 PM »

Wow Gene I am so glad I wasn't flying with you.

I seriously doubt Lt Col Jackson has thought of giving flying up well atleast not anytime soon but hey you never know.
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genejackson
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2007, 05:16:03 PM »

Nah, not gonna stop flying any time soon.   In fact,  I'm studing for my ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) rating right now.   With the coming of VLJ's and all, one never knows what the future holds.   If nothing else,  ATP would be good for braggin' rights.

In 33 years I've only had 3 events happen.   In 1979 I had a gear failure in my Cessna 310,  had the engine quit in June this year,  the fuel leak in July.   I figure things come in 3's and now I'm done and get to fly another 33 years with no more problems.

But one thing is absolutely for sure, I'm keeping my guard up for anything that is not perfect when I fly.

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Gene Jackson
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2007, 06:12:57 PM »

I'm telling you Gene. You just seem to not have the best of luck with airplanes ;) I'd say quit while you're ahead. :D
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2007, 09:12:15 AM »

Morning Ryan,
Yeah, one of my biggest fans was saying the same thing the other day,  "Daddy, stay home and don't fly".   Photo attached of my 9 week old son Alex.

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Gene Jackson
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2007, 10:59:33 AM »

Looks like you have yourself a great little guy there Gene! Now I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell my wife (who's also a member of CAP), there's no reason that he shouldn't get the Spaatz Award, as with your other three if they haven't already!
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2007, 12:57:00 PM »

Col Jackson-

The 182 you were flying on the previously mentioned incident where you lost the cylinder, what model 182 was that?

Great job keeping the oily side down on both!
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genejackson
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2007, 03:15:23 PM »

Steve,
The C-182 was a 1985 R model.   It only had 909 hrs on the engine and had undergone a top overhaul 92 hrs previously.    N9983H.
Gene
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Gene Jackson
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2007, 06:01:41 PM »

They didn't like change the cylinders during the overhaul did they?  Perhaps they got some cheap cylinders from China or something?  One more reason to BUY AMERICAN!!!
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genejackson
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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2007, 07:49:10 PM »

Top overhaul included 6 refurbished cylinders from a company in Texas that has an excellent track record for sending nothing but top quality parts to CAP.   This was simply one of those things that happens and one should always be ready for it.

I have since flown the airplane over 20 hours and it is wonderful.   I've had >8 hrs PIC time in the past week, all IMC and mountainous and shot 6 approaches to genuine minimums and this airplane is ready to resume the mission.   The bad jug was a fluke, and that's all.   
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Gene Jackson
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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2007, 03:33:27 AM »

I was a flight line marshal on a major wing SAR training mission.  We were at a particular busy part of the day and most of our mashallers were tied up on planes.  There was 1 inbound coming from the south side of the ramp and there were only 2 open marshallers due to the fact that number 3 was in the tower taking a number 2  ;)  The plane had to be moved so we decided to go ahead with 2 marshallers (the configuration of the ramp requires 3).  We did our best, but it wasnt good enough.  When the plane came to its final stop, its right wing was 11 inches from another planes wing.  WAY too close of a call!
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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2007, 11:26:52 AM »

I was a flight line marshal on a major wing SAR training mission.  We were at a particular busy part of the day and most of our mashallers were tied up on planes.  There was 1 inbound coming from the south side of the ramp and there were only 2 open marshallers due to the fact that number 3 was in the tower taking a number 2  ;)  The plane had to be moved so we decided to go ahead with 2 marshallers (the configuration of the ramp requires 3).  We did our best, but it wasnt good enough.  When the plane came to its final stop, its right wing was 11 inches from another planes wing.  WAY too close of a call!


Speaking without knowing if it was a CAP plane, can't CAP be held responsible if our FLMs damage another plane? I don't think that would go over too good with Wing or National.
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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2007, 03:57:17 PM »

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Speaking without knowing if it was a CAP plane, can't CAP be held responsible if our FLMs damage another plane? I don't think that would go over too good with Wing or National.

(Yes, they were CAP planes)
Good question, I'm not entirely sure.  I think the FLMs would be responsible since the pilots are following our directions.  But if the pilots aren't doing what we say and going on their own, maybe its their fault.  Not sure, good question.  As for nationals and wing, I'm just glad it wasn't at the mission before that when we were under AF eval.
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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2007, 04:18:16 PM »

Good point. If the pilot isn't paying attention to the FLM, then it would most likely be their fault since they had guidance, and never paid attention to it. And yes, you are lucky that the AF wasn't there.
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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2007, 04:44:03 PM »

Good point. If the pilot isn't paying attention to the FLM, then it would most likely be their fault since they had guidance, and never paid attention to it.

We had that problem the first time we had a flight line w/marshallers.  A few of the pilots just went when they felt like it and totally ignored our commands.  We had polite talk with them and they followed us after that.
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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2007, 05:18:38 PM »

Good point. If the pilot isn't paying attention to the FLM, then it would most likely be their fault since they had guidance, and never paid attention to it.

We had that problem the first time we had a flight line w/marshallers.  A few of the pilots just went when they felt like it and totally ignored our commands.  We had polite talk with them and they followed us after that.

Pilots can be like that. Some of them don't want to hear what the crew have to say, some don't like to adhere to the signals provided by the FLM. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons we end up with damaged aircraft, and why the AF gets mad at us. This is my problem with pilots. You may know what you are doing, but when you have people who are there to provide extra safety measures, swallow your pride. My saying is "If you were the best pilot around, you'd be piloting Air Force One, not a Cessna 182".
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