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zippy
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« on: July 21, 2017, 02:03:26 AM »

Do CAP units still have intelligence officers? I did a search and the only CAP unit intelligence officers I could find were in old World War II and 1950s CAP newsletters.

What intel training is there online? Aerial photography interpretation?
Any use for knowledge of languages?

I saw a current course with a lesson in "GATHERING CYBER INTELLIGENCE."

Anything in regard to topics such as knowing enemy air plane silhouettes such as below.


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SarDragon
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2017, 02:09:03 AM »

Pretty much nope for all of the above.

The only currently functional item - Aerial photography interpretation - is performed by the customer, based on their requirements. We shoot the pics, they do what they need with them.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2017, 11:50:46 AM »

Looked at it quickly and thought you were asking about intelligent officers. That's an entirely different conversation.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2017, 01:40:16 PM »

We don't have any need for those, either. ;D
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2017, 05:07:01 PM »

No need for G-2/A-2/S-2 in CAP.
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zippy
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2017, 03:28:49 PM »

I can't find any CAP Intelligence Officers in any CAP magazine or newsletter after 1950.
What I did find out was when the Air Force broke off from the Army in the late 1940s Army Air Force Intelligence became the Air Force Security Service. It then reverted back to Intelligence in its name in 1991 as the Air Force Intelligence Command.

So I speculate that CAP just followed the newly created Air Force verbiage and dropped the word "intelligence." The Army's equivalent of CAP, the State Guards, has Intelligence Officers.

ARMY - Military Intelligence Corps
NAVY - Naval Intelligence
AIR FORCE - Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency

The Air Force, unlike other branches, divides up parts of spying in the name. After the founding of the Air Force, much of what the Army included as "Intelligence" was not considered to be so by the Air Force, but it seems over the years this has changed a bit.

As far as I can tell, the two closest in today's CAP is Information Technology Officer (cryptography) and Operations Officer. There is a course includes gathering "intelligence" which is part of Technology Officer training.

If I am wrong about any of this, please let me know.

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dwb
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2017, 05:14:10 PM »

AFISRA is called 25 AF now.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. CAP doesn't have an intelligence mission in the traditional use of the word.
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coudano
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2017, 06:58:56 PM »

AFISRA is called 25 AF now.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. CAP doesn't have an intelligence mission in the traditional use of the word.

IMO there's room for one (things like radar analysis, ntap and cell team notwithstanding...)
But I think we have enough irons in the fire.  It would have to provide enough value to core missions to justify itself.

We could probably stand some, uh, professionalization in the realm of setting up our collection decks.
And we have a pretty large crowd from which to crowdsource things, that is going mostly untapped right now.

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etodd
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2017, 09:51:56 PM »

AFISRA is called 25 AF now.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. CAP doesn't have an intelligence mission in the traditional use of the word.

IMO there's room for one (things like radar analysis, ntap and cell team notwithstanding...)
But I think we have enough irons in the fire.  It would have to provide enough value to core missions to justify itself.

We could probably stand some, uh, professionalization in the realm of setting up our collection decks.
And we have a pretty large crowd from which to crowdsource things, that is going mostly untapped right now.

Seems to me something so specialized needs full time paid folks. That will be there in a moments notice. We can plenty of folks to choose from to chase an ELT or take photos. But highly specialized areas, not so sure.

A related question.  The cell phone team does some incredible work, but how large is the team? How many are being trained to take their place when they retire or become unable?

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CAPLTC
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2017, 11:13:53 AM »

Nope.
No S2/G2/J2 functions in CAP.
The USAF uses CAP's overhead/arial imagery capabilities specifically because no Title-50 intelligence review is required.
Because CAP has no intelligence function nor authority whatsoever, the imagery we collect is 100% sharable and usable by everyone everywhere.

We do have to worry about threats/hazards and constantly do risk management... but there is no need or place for an S2/G2/J2 shop in doing that.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2017, 11:16:10 AM »

Nope.
No S2/G2/J2 functions in CAP.
The USAF uses CAP's overhead/arial imagery capabilities specifically because no Title-50 intelligence review is required.
Because CAP has no intelligence function nor authority whatsoever, the imagery we collect is 100% sharable and usable by everyone everywhere.

Which imagery?

Photos taken during mission work belong to the customer and can only be released publicly with their permission.
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