It's called they needed a new commander and he was the guy who volunteered. Bingo! He's the NCO Commander, or should we call him Superintendent?
CAP has a group of Officers within it, that believes that the way to have better relations with the Air Force is to bring the requirements to be a CAP Officer in alignment with the active military requirements for commissioning. If you do this where do you put those members who are contributing to the program but do not have a four year degree, well.... Maybe you turn them into NCO's or airman. Not saying I embrace this idea or even think it is a well thought out idea, because I don't. But I do know if is one of the reasons that senior CAP Officers have used as a reason to expand the NCO ranks.
[redacted] I know that a new military LT has no experience either but they at least had 4 years of military training in order to be an officer.
Quote from: kwe1009 on August 10, 2017, 09:59:03 PM[redacted] I know that a new military LT has no experience either but they at least had 4 years of military training in order to be an officer. Really? When did the various flavors of OCS go away? These range anywhere from nine (USAF) to seventeen weeks (USCG).
To those who say that CAP NCO's can not be a Squadron Commander, you are mistaken.The current commander of the Big Bear Composite Squadron 6750, California Wing, CAP is a CMSgt.National Headquarters approved the Form 27 when he assumed command over six months ago.
Quote from: PHall on March 05, 2017, 10:00:31 PMTo those who say that CAP NCO's can not be a Squadron Commander, you are mistaken.The current commander of the Big Bear Composite Squadron 6750, California Wing, CAP is a CMSgt.National Headquarters approved the Form 27 when he assumed command over six months ago.I have contacted national about this, the regs clearly state that only job an NCO can't hold is command, all other positions can be filled by an NCO. Even the leader of a flight until an officer is found to take command of it.
Quote from: SMsgt Jung on August 11, 2017, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: PHall on March 05, 2017, 10:00:31 PMTo those who say that CAP NCO's can not be a Squadron Commander, you are mistaken.The current commander of the Big Bear Composite Squadron 6750, California Wing, CAP is a CMSgt.National Headquarters approved the Form 27 when he assumed command over six months ago.I have contacted national about this, the regs clearly state that only job an NCO can't hold is command, all other positions can be filled by an NCO. Even the leader of a flight until an officer is found to take command of it.What reg is that found in?
Quote from: SMsgt Jung on August 11, 2017, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: PHall on March 05, 2017, 10:00:31 PMTo those who say that CAP NCO's can not be a Squadron Commander, you are mistaken.The current commander of the Big Bear Composite Squadron 6750, California Wing, CAP is a CMSgt.National Headquarters approved the Form 27 when he assumed command over six months ago.I have contacted national about this, the regs clearly state that only job an NCO can't hold is command, all other positions can be filled by an NCO. Even the leader of a flight until an officer is found to take command of it.CAP NCOs are not supposed to be commanders, according to regulations.As an earliier posted noted, the NCO program has been in formation for many years. There are instances where sitting squadron commanders who are CAP NCOs have been permitted to complete their terms of office. I believe, going forward, National will reject appointment of an NCO as commander unless there is an officer promotion involved.Does this make sense, or even matter? Darned if I know!As to members flipping back and forth between officer and NCO ranks, that has, actually been the practice more often than most people realize, particularly during the height of WW 1 and 2 (when experienced NCOs were often given reserve or war time commissions). As the forces drew down after the war, it was not uncommon for both officers and NCOs to return to their permanent rank.Of all the ideas offered here, I think the one that makes the most sense is mirroring the cadet program, so that new members lacking significant military or other related experience start out as airmen and work their way up.
Quote from: THRAWN on August 11, 2017, 01:16:45 PMQuote from: SMsgt Jung on August 11, 2017, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: PHall on March 05, 2017, 10:00:31 PMTo those who say that CAP NCO's can not be a Squadron Commander, you are mistaken.The current commander of the Big Bear Composite Squadron 6750, California Wing, CAP is a CMSgt.National Headquarters approved the Form 27 when he assumed command over six months ago.I have contacted national about this, the regs clearly state that only job an NCO can't hold is command, all other positions can be filled by an NCO. Even the leader of a flight until an officer is found to take command of it.What reg is that found in?You can not discipline someone for violating regulations that do not exist. So provide the reg you cited when you called National.And who did you contact at National? The IG to file a complaint or Suzie Parker, who has no "official" authority...
Quote from: PHall on August 11, 2017, 08:31:08 PMQuote from: THRAWN on August 11, 2017, 01:16:45 PMQuote from: SMsgt Jung on August 11, 2017, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: PHall on March 05, 2017, 10:00:31 PMTo those who say that CAP NCO's can not be a Squadron Commander, you are mistaken.The current commander of the Big Bear Composite Squadron 6750, California Wing, CAP is a CMSgt.National Headquarters approved the Form 27 when he assumed command over six months ago.I have contacted national about this, the regs clearly state that only job an NCO can't hold is command, all other positions can be filled by an NCO. Even the leader of a flight until an officer is found to take command of it.What reg is that found in?You can not discipline someone for violating regulations that do not exist. So provide the reg you cited when you called National.And who did you contact at National? The IG to file a complaint or Suzie Parker, who has no "official" authority...You replied to the wrong person. I think that this contact with National should start "once upon a time...."
Second time I am asking and to the second person: what reg forbids This? I have a feeling that I am going to keep asking and not get an answer. Usually in cases like this where someone keeps banging the "regulations forbid" drum they are usually full of swamp water.
Quote from: THRAWN on August 12, 2017, 10:25:18 AMSecond time I am asking and to the second person: what reg forbids This? I have a feeling that I am going to keep asking and not get an answer. Usually in cases like this where someone keeps banging the "regulations forbid" drum they are usually full of swamp water.I remember reading it somewhere that NCOs could be be commanders (actually makes a lot of sense) but I can't find it now. In my mind, if you want to be a commander then you should be an officer. That is how it works in the military.CAPR 35-5 6.4 states that "NCOs accepting commander appointments will be eligible to transition to the officer grade commensurate with the commander position... Upon completion of the command assignment, the member MAY return to their previous NCO status upon request..." So 35-5 does not say an NCO must become an officer to accept a command position, only that the can. If an NCO is selected as a Wing or Region CC they will be promoted to the temporary grade of Colonel per 3.2.1 and 3.2.2. For Group and Squadron command (3.2.3 and 3.2.4) the advanced grade is a "MAY" not a requirement.