Has Anyone Received The New ABU's?

[SarDragon]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

[abdsp51]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

The supplement that this was authorized in became null and invalid when 39-1 was redone in 2014.  So therefore no new supp then uniform is no longer allowed. 

[SarDragon]

[Storm Chaser]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

I didn't know asking a question about a subject I know very little is considered "beating a dead horse". I'll keep that in mind for the future.

[PHall]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

Because they actually wrote up the proposal and got it approved by Region and National.
For awhile the California Office of Emergency Services strongly suggested that if we wished to continue to do Ground Team activities in the State that we needed to get with the program and wear orange shirts like the rest of the SAR Teams in the state.
Change in personnel at CAWG and at CalOES resulted in the "requirement" going away.
Current CAWG/CC was never a fan and killed the uniform.

[JAFO78]

Unofficial word I received tonight is our wing is getting only 330 ABU's, we have 550 cadets on record. Not sure if this is first batch or total. I told a cadets mother that she would be better off looking at surplus stores if she want to upgrade her daughters to ABU's. You can't give 330 uniforms to 550 cadets, new math or not.    

[SarDragon]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

I didn't know asking a question about a subject I know very little is considered "beating a dead horse". I'll keep that in mind for the future.

It's beating a dead horse because: a) orange shirts have been discussed ad nauseum for many months, at least as far back as 2008, and b) they're gone, hopefully never to reappear, even though I do really like orange.

[kwe1009]

Unofficial word I received tonight is our wing is getting only 330 ABU's, we have 550 cadets on record. Not sure if this is first batch or total. I told a cadets mother that she would be better off looking at surplus stores if she want to upgrade her daughters to ABU's. You can't give 330 uniforms to 550 cadets, new math or not.  

With 550 cadets on record, I would be surprised if you have 330 actively participating cadets.  When you throw available sizes in the mix you will probably be very lucky to outfit 200 cadets with a single uniform. 

Remember, the ABU is not unisex like the BDUs.  There are male and female sizes and they are cut differently as well.  This will make outfitting everyone even more challenging.

[RogueLeader]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

[Abby.L]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

I was about to say this, but you got to it first. Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that CAP gives the go-ahead for unisex wear of the male uniform, just as they've okay'd male flight/service caps following ma blue's lead. Outfitting 300 active cadets shouldn't be too difficult with all the ABU surplus.

[THRAWN]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

That's great unless they're giving us a boat load of female unis. Oh, the hilarity....much like Michael Scott's "MISSterious" suit...

[kwe1009]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

That is true but males are not allowed to wear the female ABU in the Air Force.  CAP has not spoken on this either way.  I don't see it as a huge deal unless someone decides to make a fuss about it (what are the odd of someone creating an issue of uniforms in CAP?  ).  Most likely the smaller cadets (male or female) will have to wear the female ABU simply because of the size. 

I was about to say this, but you got to it first. Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that CAP gives the go-ahead for unisex wear of the male uniform, just as they've okay'd male flight/service caps following ma blue's lead. Outfitting 300 active cadets shouldn't be too difficult with all the ABU surplus.

Depends on the sizes available and the size of the cadets.  I haven't seen what is available so hopefully we will be able to help a lot of cadets.

[Storm Chaser]

There's a complete inventory available by base. Your wing should have that list.

[RogueLeader]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

That is true but males are not allowed to wear the female ABU in the Air Force.  CAP has not spoken on this either way.  I don't see it as a huge deal unless someone decides to make a fuss about it (what are the odd of someone creating an issue of uniforms in CAP?  ).  Most likely the smaller cadets (male or female) will have to wear the female ABU simply because of the size. 

I never said that males could.  I figured that CAP would follow the Air Force policy in this regard. 

[AirAux]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

[RogueLeader]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

Expired, no longer relevant.

[PHall]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

12/31/36.

[SarDragon]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

12/31/36.

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[Toth]

I think we should wear spacesuits

[THRAWN]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

Smarch 32 of next year....