Has Anyone Received The New ABU's?

[JAFO78]

Tomorrow it will be a month since HQ announced that CAP was going to the ABU's.
Has any Wing or Squadron received any so far?
I know we must wait until the 15th to wear them.

[Laplace]

Our Wing LG contacted all of our units last week requesting size information.  No idea when they will arrive, but positive it will NOT be by June 15th.   

Anyone know where these are coming from?  Nearest AFB?

[Luis R. Ramos]

Cool down... Chill... Hold your horses...

If we are not expected to start using them until 15 June, there is NO WAY any unit would have received them yet...

[etodd]

Tomorrow it will be a month ......

A month out of a FIVE YEAR transition period.

The water never seems to boil while you watch it on the stove.  Move along, work on other projects, and wait until you hear the steam. LOL

[JAFO78]

Gentlemen, It was just a simple question to gauge progress so far.  No need for hostility. I understand the Military is well known for hurry up and wait.

[etodd]

Gentlemen, It was just a simple question to gauge progress so far.  No need for hostility. I understand the Military is well known for hurry up and wait.

No hostility. Notice my LOL at the end. I was laughing as I wrote it. The whole uniform discussions (hundreds of threads over the years) amuse me.

[JAFO78]

Word I received today was our wing has until 1 August to pick up there ABU's. From what location I don't know. At lest its movement.

[RogueLeader]

Wyoming Wing currently has them in hand.  I know that some units within the Wing have already gotten sizing requests into Wing already.. Distribution to the Squadrons at Wing Conference?  I don't know, but it would make sense.

[vento]

We have some time to work on the issues in California, members of CAWG are not allowed to wear the ABU until 15 August 2016.  :angel:

[Eclipse]

We have some time to work on the issues in California, members of CAWG are not allowed to wear the ABU until 15 August 2016.

And based on hearsay and posts here, aren't allowed to wear it at all for actual ES.

Nice.

[RogueLeader]

We have some time to work on the issues in California, members of CAWG are not allowed to wear the ABU until 15 August 2016.

And based on hearsay and posts here, aren't allowed to wear it at all for actual ES.

Nice.

Cite please.  I must have missed it.  I know some are excluding it from this years encampment, but that's a far cry from ES.

[vento]

We have some time to work on the issues in California, members of CAWG are not allowed to wear the ABU until 15 August 2016.

And based on hearsay and posts here, aren't allowed to wear it at all for actual ES.

Nice.

Eclipse, what the heck is wrong with you? I am simply stating the fact that in CAWG we have sometime to work out the issues. Not a hearsay or whatever you think. Below is an e-mail that every member of CAWG received. Not that I need to prove you being wrong in accusing people at random, but I need to clarify it is not a hearsay. Geez!

Members of California Wing,

on 4 May 2016 Major General Joseph R. Vazquez, our National Commander issued a memorandum to all CAP members announcing the Air Force approved Civil Air Patrol's request to transition to the Airman Battle Uniform (ABUs). The phase in date will be 15 June 16. Also stated is Vanguard, the official CAP uniform insignia supplier, will start accepting orders for the new devices on the same date, 15 June 16. This will take some time for orders to be processed and shipped. Therefore, California Wing will have a phase in date of 15 AUGUST 16 for the new ABUs and if you have already purchased them, they will NOT be worn at any CAP function until after that date. Also, National Headquarters staff is working with the Air Force to obtain excess ABUs for CAP. As we receive information on this, we will pass it on.

The proper wear instructions are attached to the memorandum and will be implemented into 39-1 probably within the next three months. 

I have asked each Group CC to contact their respective squadron CC's and select a person to be in charge of uniforms and assisting members in the proper wear and placement of insignia for the ABU's. The ABU's are Air Force style uniforms. Height, weight and grooming standards are to be adhered to at all times. No exceptions.

I will be the contact for CAWG. If you have any questions, please e mail me or call. I will be happy to answer your questions.

Please do not call National Headquarters to inquire or complain. Not professional. Please follow the chain of Command within the Wing.

GC




Lt Col Gregory P. Chase, CAP
California Wing Vice Commander
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U.S. Air Force Auxiliary
GoCivilAirPatrol.com
cawg.cap.org

[abdsp51]

We have some time to work on the issues in California, members of CAWG are not allowed to wear the ABU until 15 August 2016.

And based on hearsay and posts here, aren't allowed to wear it at all for actual ES.

Nice.

Cite please.  I must have missed it.  I know some are excluding it from this years encampment, but that's a far cry from ES.

This could in reference to the CAWG specific ground team uniform that was done for awhile. 

[RogueLeader]

Then that wouldn't be at all then.  I'm not nitpicking at you, just Eclipse.

[Eclipse]

This could in reference to the CAWG specific ground team uniform that was done for awhile.

Then that wouldn't be at all then.  I'm not nitpicking at you, just Eclipse.

And based on hearsay and posts here, aren't allowed to wear it at all for actual ES.

Correct, is this not a "thing" any more?



Hopefully the delayed implementation is being made clear to those participating in NCSAs and
similar activities within CAWG that fall after 15 June and have participants from outside the wing?

[vento]

^^^  (above) Why are you quoting your own words using my name? And while my comment was on subject about ABU and its availability, you wanted to switch it to the now canceled CAWG GT uniform, that is fine. What is not fine is to say in the open that people are posting hearsay and try to defend it in a funny way. 

We have some time to work on the issues in California, members of CAWG are not allowed to wear the ABU until 15 August 2016.

And based on hearsay and posts here, aren't allowed to wear it at all for actual ES.

Nice.

[Eclipse]

Broken quote, now fixed.  I hit "modify" instead of "quote".

In the context of this conversation, when someone says CAWG is making up their own rules (again) about
the wear of the uniform in the thread, that's a legit question.

What is not fine is to say in the open that people are posting hearsay

3/4 of the content on this site is hearsay.

[SarDragon]

Bob, the CAWG GT uniform has been gone for almost a year. If it's so important to you, you should work harder on keeping up. As for a general prohibition on wearing BDUs/BBDUs for ES, you got that wrong, too. Just the ground teams had the orange shirts. Everyone else doing ES could wear a normal working uniform.

[there, I've finally got it right]

[Storm Chaser]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

[lordmonar]

Old school politics and disinterest to keep the wings in check.   Same story for the hawk mountain bling for the longest time. 


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[SarDragon]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

[abdsp51]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

The supplement that this was authorized in became null and invalid when 39-1 was redone in 2014.  So therefore no new supp then uniform is no longer allowed. 

[SarDragon]

[Storm Chaser]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

I didn't know asking a question about a subject I know very little is considered "beating a dead horse". I'll keep that in mind for the future.

[PHall]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

Because they actually wrote up the proposal and got it approved by Region and National.
For awhile the California Office of Emergency Services strongly suggested that if we wished to continue to do Ground Team activities in the State that we needed to get with the program and wear orange shirts like the rest of the SAR Teams in the state.
Change in personnel at CAWG and at CalOES resulted in the "requirement" going away.
Current CAWG/CC was never a fan and killed the uniform.

[JAFO78]

Unofficial word I received tonight is our wing is getting only 330 ABU's, we have 550 cadets on record. Not sure if this is first batch or total. I told a cadets mother that she would be better off looking at surplus stores if she want to upgrade her daughters to ABU's. You can't give 330 uniforms to 550 cadets, new math or not.    

[SarDragon]

How did CAWG get to approve their own GT uniform in a complete departure of CAPM 39-1? I always thought that was strange, especially since CAPM 39-1 doesn't have any provisions for this type of wing-specific uniform.

One of our primary customers, Cal OES, stated a preference for that style uniform when doing SAR activities, especially during joint ops with other CA agencies. In its final iteration, it was approved by NHQ, but the current wing commander decided to eliminate it, for whatever reason(s).

Are we done beating this dead horse now? It is unlikely that it will return in the foreseeable future.

I didn't know asking a question about a subject I know very little is considered "beating a dead horse". I'll keep that in mind for the future.

It's beating a dead horse because: a) orange shirts have been discussed ad nauseum for many months, at least as far back as 2008, and b) they're gone, hopefully never to reappear, even though I do really like orange.

[kwe1009]

Unofficial word I received tonight is our wing is getting only 330 ABU's, we have 550 cadets on record. Not sure if this is first batch or total. I told a cadets mother that she would be better off looking at surplus stores if she want to upgrade her daughters to ABU's. You can't give 330 uniforms to 550 cadets, new math or not.  

With 550 cadets on record, I would be surprised if you have 330 actively participating cadets.  When you throw available sizes in the mix you will probably be very lucky to outfit 200 cadets with a single uniform. 

Remember, the ABU is not unisex like the BDUs.  There are male and female sizes and they are cut differently as well.  This will make outfitting everyone even more challenging.

[RogueLeader]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

[Abby.L]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

I was about to say this, but you got to it first. Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that CAP gives the go-ahead for unisex wear of the male uniform, just as they've okay'd male flight/service caps following ma blue's lead. Outfitting 300 active cadets shouldn't be too difficult with all the ABU surplus.

[THRAWN]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

That's great unless they're giving us a boat load of female unis. Oh, the hilarity....much like Michael Scott's "MISSterious" suit...

[kwe1009]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

That is true but males are not allowed to wear the female ABU in the Air Force.  CAP has not spoken on this either way.  I don't see it as a huge deal unless someone decides to make a fuss about it (what are the odd of someone creating an issue of uniforms in CAP?  ).  Most likely the smaller cadets (male or female) will have to wear the female ABU simply because of the size. 

I was about to say this, but you got to it first. Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that CAP gives the go-ahead for unisex wear of the male uniform, just as they've okay'd male flight/service caps following ma blue's lead. Outfitting 300 active cadets shouldn't be too difficult with all the ABU surplus.

Depends on the sizes available and the size of the cadets.  I haven't seen what is available so hopefully we will be able to help a lot of cadets.

[Storm Chaser]

There's a complete inventory available by base. Your wing should have that list.

[RogueLeader]

From what I was told by AAFESS, is that females are allowed- in the Air Force at least- that females are allowed (and do) wear the male ABU's as they seem to fit better.

That is true but males are not allowed to wear the female ABU in the Air Force.  CAP has not spoken on this either way.  I don't see it as a huge deal unless someone decides to make a fuss about it (what are the odd of someone creating an issue of uniforms in CAP?  ).  Most likely the smaller cadets (male or female) will have to wear the female ABU simply because of the size. 

I never said that males could.  I figured that CAP would follow the Air Force policy in this regard. 

[AirAux]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

[RogueLeader]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

Expired, no longer relevant.

[PHall]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

12/31/36.

[SarDragon]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

12/31/36.

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[Toth]

I think we should wear spacesuits

[THRAWN]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

Smarch 32 of next year....

[Chappie]

Silly me...and I thought it was February 31 of this year.

[JeffDG]

When is the orange shirt ES uniform phase in period, I can't find it??

Smarch 32 of next year....

[Майор Хаткевич]

It will be interesting when the things start arriving. Hopefully at least some sets can be available as "extra", so SMs (assuming there's not enough) can try them on to figure out sizing.

[THRAWN]

It will be interesting when the things start arriving. Hopefully at least some sets can be available as "extra", so SMs (assuming there's not enough) can try them on to figure out sizing.

This would be a good idea. The sizing is completely different than the BDU. By way of example, I'm generally a large/long. The ABU makes me want to go on a crash diet...

[Майор Хаткевич]

It will be interesting when the things start arriving. Hopefully at least some sets can be available as "extra", so SMs (assuming there's not enough) can try them on to figure out sizing.

This would be a good idea. The sizing is completely different than the BDU. By way of example, I'm generally a large/long. The ABU makes me want to go on a crash diet...

No crash diets necessary. CICO (cals in, cals out), make sure your protein, fat, carb intake is not skewed, get something like MyFitnessPal, and give it a few weeks to start seeing results. 38 Pounds down since December, with 18 of those since April 1st (when I started tracking in MFP).

[grunt82abn]

It will be interesting when the things start arriving. Hopefully at least some sets can be available as "extra", so SMs (assuming there's not enough) can try them on to figure out sizing.

This would be a good idea. The sizing is completely different than the BDU. By way of example, I'm generally a large/long. The ABU makes me want to go on a crash diet...

Great Job!!! Keep up the healthy habits!!!


No crash diets necessary. CICO (cals in, cals out), make sure your protein, fat, carb intake is not skewed, get something like MyFitnessPal, and give it a few weeks to start seeing results. 38 Pounds down since December, with 18 of those since April 1st (when I started tracking in MFP).

[Майор Хаткевич]

Thanks. 24 more to go until I meet CAP H/W standards. If I was 3-4 inches taller, I'd be there, but seems like losing the weight is more likely than growing taller.

[winterg]

13 more to go for me for H/W.

Didn't we have a fitness thread here at one point? What about a Fitbit group? Anyone interested?

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[Майор Хаткевич]

13 more to go for me for H/W.

Didn't we have a fitness thread here at one point? What about a Fitbit group? Anyone interested?

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I remember those weight loss challenges from years ago. Might be a fun thing to start again? Do it on 15 June to coincide with the ABUs?


No fitbit here...got my olde Microsoft Band, but it's on it's last legs, and Microsoft butchered the app, so I uninstalled it yesterday as it was draining my phone battery in hours.

[winterg]

Maybe a CapTalk President's Challenge group?

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[THRAWN]

It will be interesting when the things start arriving. Hopefully at least some sets can be available as "extra", so SMs (assuming there's not enough) can try them on to figure out sizing.

This would be a good idea. The sizing is completely different than the BDU. By way of example, I'm generally a large/long. The ABU makes me want to go on a crash diet...

No crash diets necessary. CICO (cals in, cals out), make sure your protein, fat, carb intake is not skewed, get something like MyFitnessPal, and give it a few weeks to start seeing results. 38 Pounds down since December, with 18 of those since April 1st (when I started tracking in MFP).

Way ahead of you, but great advice. Bridey and I have totally revamped what and how we eat, as well as what we do in our recreation time. It's made a big change. 38 pounds is awesome. That'd get me to my wrestling weight in 10th grade...

[THRAWN]

Maybe a CapTalk President's Challenge group?

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This came up before and I'm all for it. If we can get a show of hands, I'd be willing to get us started with the paperwork...

[winterg]

Maybe a CapTalk President's Challenge group?

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This came up before and I'm all for it. If we can get a show of hands, I'd be willing to get us started with the paperwork...

I'll start a thread for interest so we don't hijack this one. 

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[Майор Хаткевич]

It will be interesting when the things start arriving. Hopefully at least some sets can be available as "extra", so SMs (assuming there's not enough) can try them on to figure out sizing.

This would be a good idea. The sizing is completely different than the BDU. By way of example, I'm generally a large/long. The ABU makes me want to go on a crash diet...

No crash diets necessary. CICO (cals in, cals out), make sure your protein, fat, carb intake is not skewed, get something like MyFitnessPal, and give it a few weeks to start seeing results. 38 Pounds down since December, with 18 of those since April 1st (when I started tracking in MFP).

Way ahead of you, but great advice. Bridey and I have totally revamped what and how we eat, as well as what we do in our recreation time. It's made a big change. 38 pounds is awesome. That'd get me to my wrestling weight in 10th grade...

That's great. It's amazing what changing food habits can do. Dropping my sugar and cream from coffee alone has been a big help. Combine normal eating with some exersize, and things really start to change (albeit might slow down the weight "loss"). Wish there was a way to check muscle mass gain, as I've noticed a lot of changes in how things look and feel beyond just the number on the scale.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Maybe a CapTalk President's Challenge group?

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This came up before and I'm all for it. If we can get a show of hands, I'd be willing to get us started with the paperwork...

I'll start a thread for interest so we don't hijack this one. 

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Agreed. Maybe mods can move the posts over as well.

[Eclipse]

Silly me...and I thought it was February 31 of this year.

Non-altered photo of the clock in my car a few months ago...