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Cadetter
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« on: May 15, 2016, 04:19:11 PM »

For summer encampments, is it advisable for sunglasses to be contraband?

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2016, 04:29:43 PM »

Cadets show up with $200 Oakelys lose them and mom wants the encampment to pay.

If they aren't on the list, it's been considered. If there is a medical issue, it can be addressed as an exception.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2016, 04:34:36 PM »

Hmm, but what about protection from sunlight?

Most cadets bring very, very cheap sunglasses.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2016, 05:13:01 PM »

The exposure to sunlight at encampment is not severe enough to cause a problem with vision. Your hat has a visor that will protect the eyes that along with the time you spend  indoors in classes, barracks etc. mitigates any risk.



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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2016, 05:18:19 PM »

Hmm, but what about protection from sunlight?
It's called a hat.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2016, 05:26:19 PM »

Cheap sunglasses are great (the $4 gas station ones, especially if they look the Sheriff Buford T. Justice Ray-Bans, are even cooler). Just not in formation without a documented medical need (had one of those once: a young man with albinism.  He literally had these Wiley-X looking bad boys on whenever he was outside, complete with a doctor's note).

Like jewelry or iPods, leave the expensive bling-bling at home.

You certainly do need them in some instances.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2016, 05:28:26 PM »

Young adults these days may not be aware the visor is to protect the vision since they wear the hat backwards...
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2016, 05:28:39 PM »

Hmm, but what about protection from sunlight?
It's called a hat.

Ha, true...

But seriously. The light reflecting from the ground, buildings, etc. is part of what I am talking about.

The exposure to sunlight at encampment is not severe enough to cause a problem with vision. Your hat has a visor that will protect the eyes that along with the time you spend  indoors in classes, barracks etc. mitigates any risk.

Some states have brighter summers than others. Also, spending several hours outside can indeed risk highly unnecessary sun exposure that can (and often does) cause cancer.

Cheap sunglasses are great (the $4 gas station ones, especially if they look the Sheriff Buford T. Justice Ray-Bans, are even cooler). Just not in formation without a documented medical need (had one of those once: a young man with albinism.  He literally had these Wiley-X looking bad boys on whenever he was outside, complete with a doctor's note).

Like jewelry or iPods, leave the expensive bling-bling at home.

You certainly do need them in some instances.

Cadet students spend most their time outside in a flight. Do all of them need doctors' notes to have the right of protecting themselves from accumulating sun exposure that can lead to cancer?
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2016, 05:30:58 PM »

Sunglasses are not even authorized in a formation.  Was a TO at AZ Wg's encampment in 2014 and no cadets had sunglasses.  If it's not on the list don't bring it. 

If there is a legit health issue parents need to address it through the CoC. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2016, 05:32:51 PM »

Forgot about that... silly me.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2016, 06:32:00 PM »

Now you're really stretching. Sunglasses do NOT, for the most part, protect you from skin cancer, the predominate UV-caused form of cancer. If the encampment head shed says no sunglasses, then no sunglasses.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2016, 07:04:59 PM »

Are you asking as a member of the Encampment Cadre working on the packing list?   Or are you just looking for justification for your personal opinion that sunglasses should be allowed?

Bottom line.....bring everything on the packing list......and nothing else.

As for the pro-con debate of allowing sunglasses on the list.

The slight protection that sunglasses afford from the hazards of UV radiation are greatly outweighed by the hassles of finding Little Jimmy's $300 Oaklies or having to tell some cadet (for the 15th time) to take their sunglasses off in formation/off their head/off their top button.

YMMV.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2016, 10:23:12 PM »

I'm merely cadet cadre, sir, (2nd time staffing), so I haven't any authority with the packing list. It is my personal opinion that sunglasses should be allowed, yes.

There are plenty of outside activities during encampment that are not conducted in formation (the majority, lately).

FWIW, I have medical reasons for sunglasses. IMO cadets should not be required to have notes for this though... not that I can change it (until, or unless, I end up encampment commander 20 years down the road :P)

Nonetheless, the caps are undoubtedly useful :)

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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2016, 10:46:45 PM »

I'm merely cadet cadre, sir, (2nd time staffing), so I haven't any authority with the packing list. It is my personal opinion that sunglasses should be allowed, yes.

There are plenty of outside activities during encampment that are not conducted in formation (the majority, lately).

FWIW, I have medical reasons for sunglasses (shall get a doctor's note shortly - in short, genetic tendencies to fight against). IMO cadets should not be required to have notes for this though... not that I can change it (until, or unless, I end up encampment commander 20 years down the road :P)

Nonetheless, the caps are undoubtedly useful :)

Even if you became encampment commander 20 years down the road the uniform reg and AFI says different.  If there is a legit reason to have them and wear them then a Dr's note should not be an issue.  If there isn't a legit reason then no they are not allowed and should not be allowed. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2016, 10:49:33 PM »

After 20 years, it may be possible the regs may have changed and sunglasses can be worn in formation...

 >:D

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2016, 10:53:12 PM »

After 20 years, it may be possible the regs may have changed and sunglasses can be worn in formation...

 >:D

I seriously doubt that.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2016, 11:08:03 PM »

... which is true. But as mentioned in my last post, I was referring to non-formation activities ... hence, not applicable (unless there's some reg I'm missing forbidding sunglasses under ALL outdoor circumstances... even in unassigned PT pseudo-uniforms...) :D
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2016, 11:13:44 PM »

... which is true. But as mentioned in my last post, I was referring to non-formation activities ... hence, not applicable (unless there's some reg I'm missing forbidding sunglasses under ALL outdoor circumstances... even in unassigned PT pseudo-uniforms...) :D

Again if it's not on the list don't bring it.  You as a second time staff member should know that since that packing list also applies to staff in most wings.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2016, 11:17:11 PM »

... which is true. But as mentioned in my last post, I was referring to non-formation activities ... hence, not applicable (unless there's some reg I'm missing forbidding sunglasses under ALL outdoor circumstances... even in unassigned PT pseudo-uniforms...) :D

Again if it's not on the list don't bring it.  You as a second time staff member should know that since that packing list also applies to staff in most wings.

Yes sir, I know it, follow it, and enforce it, and that doesn't preclude my opinion on what should change in the future  :angel:
And the quoted 'not applicable' referred to what, hypothetically, I might do if I ever am appointed an encampment commander (once I switch to the dark side)
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2016, 11:29:36 PM »

After 20 years, it may be possible the regs may have changed and sunglasses can be worn in formation...

 >:D

I seriously doubt that.

Agreed. Twenty years ago, we had essentially the same policy, and twenty years before that, and even another ten before that. It looks like no one has ever come up with a good enough reason to change the policy.

In non-formation activities, they are more of a distraction than an asset. BTDT. No shirt.
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