New 39-1

[capmaj]

So how's that newly released 39-1 working out for everyone?  Oh no, wait...................   

[NIN]

So how's that newly released 39-1 working out for everyone?  Oh no, wait...................   

Time waits for no CAP-USAF....

(ETA: http://www.au.af.mil/au/holmcenter/CAPUSAF/  I'm sure there is contact info on that page. Why don't you give them a call and ask what's taking so long. We'll wait, please report back how you do. [Note: I am not suggesting you REALLY call CAP-USAF] -NIN)

[Panache]

"Ask the National Commander."

[Eclipse]

Funny - search is your friend, seriously.

[Garibaldi]

I have it on good authority that the new 39-1 will be released the 11th of June, 201

[JeffDG]

I have it on good authority that the new 39-1 will be released the 11th of June, 201

Interesting omission at the end there.

[Angus]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/231590/flags/LL

[Luis R. Ramos]

By omiting the last digit he will be correct if it is published anytime up to 2019... If it is (finally) published in or after 2020 he will be wrong...

[Garibaldi]

I have it on good authority that the new 39-1 will be released the 11th of June, 201

Interesting omission at the end there.

Rats, I didn't mean to put the 1 there.

[James Shaw]

That is Stardate year 2039-1

[a2capt]

I knew this thread would be another like the gambling man topic.. it had too -FEW- replies for there to have been a release.

[Panache]

By omiting the last digit he will be correct if it is published anytime up to 2019... If it is (finally) published in or after 2020 he will be wrong...

Great.  Now I gotta start a new poll.

[Angus]

By omiting the last digit he will be correct if it is published anytime up to 2019... If it is (finally) published in or after 2020 he will be wrong...

Great.  Now I gotta start a new poll.

Only if the poll is will it come out before the end of the decade.

[Garibaldi]

By omiting the last digit he will be correct if it is published anytime up to 2019... If it is (finally) published in or after 2020 he will be wrong...

Great.  Now I gotta start a new poll.

Only if the poll is will it come out before the end of the decade.

Do you honestly expect this document to roll out any sooner than 2020? We've been clamoring for it since the last ICL, probably even before.

[a2capt]

Interestingly, all the scuttlebutt that came out of the recent NSC .. doesn't seem to have much about 39-1, other than "here's why we didn't actually submit for the ABU", which I'm not even sure what to believe there. There has been no real news release other than congressional bantering about "1" uniform, and there were times when you were pretty much convinced that NHQ had in fact submitted, or at least was past the inquiry stage.

I mean, heck, putting up that slide show at the last national conference, dedicating a portion of the general assembly to the subject, having the 39-1 drafters put in place holders and even working other related changes into that proposal based on that expected change ..

Then to come out and say "No, we're not going to."

..and hearing everything from "cadets will be in one uniform, others will be in something else"..

Maybe we need to just go back to the moratorium era.

[Angus]

By omiting the last digit he will be correct if it is published anytime up to 2019... If it is (finally) published in or after 2020 he will be wrong...

Great.  Now I gotta start a new poll.

Only if the poll is will it come out before the end of the decade.

Do you honestly expect this document to roll out any sooner than 2020? We've been clamoring for it since the last ICL, probably even before.

True, but we've at least seen a draft which is more than we've seen in a long time.  So there's some glimmer of hope.

[NIN]

I have just consulted my crystal ball ( the one that looks suspiciously  like a "Magic 8 ball" )....

Friday the 13th. Plus/minus 2 days. 2 business days that is.

[lordmonar]

I have just consulted my crystal ball ( the one that looks suspiciously  like a "Magic 8 ball" )....

You mean the CDG.....Command Decision Generator! 

[NIN]

I have just consulted my crystal ball ( the one that looks suspiciously  like a "Magic 8 ball" )....

You mean the CDG.....Command Decision Generator! 

The very same

[Devil Doc]

OMG!!! i just had an Epiphany!!

Our G/W combo looks like the Rowan County Veterans Honor Guard, and even they have a Blue Jacket Combo!! WOW.



https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rowan-County-Veterans-Honor-Guard/463403923743722

[Panache]

OMG!!! i just had an Epiphany!!

Our G/W combo looks like the Rowan County Veterans Honor Guard, and even they have a Blue Jacket Combo!! WOW.

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

OMG!!! i just had an Epiphany!!

Our G/W combo looks like the Rowan County Veterans Honor Guard, and even they have a Blue Jacket Combo!! WOW.

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

It also looks a little bit like West Point uniforms...except they have actual uniform pants, and, of course, a cap.

[LSThiker]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

[Brit_in_CAP]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

...as are bow ties...

[LSThiker]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

...as are bow ties...

Probably one of only a half dozen British TV shows that made it in the US

[Garibaldi]

Stetsons were cool...for a minute.

[LSThiker]

Stetsons were cool...for a minute.

But then when your wife shoots the hat off your head.........

For all the physics majors, yes I know that is physically impossible. 

[lordmonar]

Stetsons were cool...for a minute.

But then when your wife shoots the hat off your head.........

For all the physics majors, yes I know that is physically impossible.

Really?    That's the glaring violation of physics in Dr. Who that draws your ire? 

IT'S BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! 

[LSThiker]

Really?    That's the glaring violation of physics in Dr. Who that draws your ire? 

IT'S BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! 

Actually, it is smaller on the outside

[THRAWN]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

...as are bow ties...

Probably one of only a half dozen British TV shows that made it in the US

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

[lordmonar]

Really?    That's the glaring violation of physics in Dr. Who that draws your ire? 

IT'S BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! 

Actually, it is smaller on the outside

Only if you like souffle. 

[capmaj]

Let's add boonie caps!  Oh, Oh!  I used the B-word.   

[THRAWN]

Let's add boonie caps!  Oh, Oh!  I used the B-word.   

Much better than berets, or the GW service cap...er...I mean, ball cap....

[AlphaSigOU]

And on the day when the new CAPM 39-1 is released to the raggedy-assed masses...
http://youtu.be/-7aIf1YnbbU

[LSThiker]

Only if you like souffle. 

Well do not exactly like soufflés, but she can still come over

[lordmonar]

More like this

[Eclipse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOTRBwMA4Iw#

[Shuman 14]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

...as are bow ties...

Probably one of only a half dozen British TV shows that made it in the US

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

Don't forget Benny Hill, Torchwood, Orphan Black and dare I say it... Downton Abbey.

(Sorry I think Michelle Dockery is so hot!)

And Fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

[RickRutledge]

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

You completely left out 'Keeping Up Appearances.'

BUCKET RESIDENCE......That's Bouquet

[SarDragon]

One mustn't forget "Jeeves and Wooster", with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie.

[James Shaw]

Speaking of 39-1. New National Staff Badge from Vanguard arrived in mail today. Now just waiting for 39-1 publication.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

You completely left out 'Keeping Up Appearances.'

BUCKET RESIDENCE......That's Bouquet

I worked at a PBS station.  I could watch "KUA" until the sun burns out.

Poor Dickie...

[Eclipse]

Speaking of 39-1. New National Staff Badge from Vanguard arrived in mail today. Now just waiting for 39-1 publication.

Wow - talk about the cart before the horse.

Nothing publicly approved, but the vendor is already making new insignia.

So how does one go about ordering something which is neither publicly available, nor approved for wear?

[Panache]

So how does one go about ordering something which is neither publicly available, nor approved for wear?

That's a good question.  It's not listed on V's website, that's for sure.

About six weeks ago, I sent them an email asking if I could get a CAPCom patch without the hook for my flight suit.  I got a reply that since that was in the draft 39-1, and it wasn't published yet, they weren't authorized to do so.

[a2capt]

Authorization depends on who's asking. Ironic that they seem concerned, yet they go willy-nilly and make other stuff. Whatever.

[NIN]

Wow - talk about the cart before the horse.

Nothing publicly approved, but the vendor is already making new insignia.

So how does one go about ordering something which is neither publicly available, nor approved for wear?

To be fair to the Big V, they have to start making insignia at some point. 

Apparently the National Staff badge was designed & approved some time ago, and its implementation, unlike that of, say, ABUs, was never really in question.  Its not like "hey, the National Staff Badge is in the January draft, but magically disappeared from the March draft.  Hey, Tommy, call the guys up in Rhode Island and have 'em quit stamping those 2000 badges..."

Someone said to Vanguard at some point "OK, this is definitely going to be a thing once all the admin sign offs are done. Start making them so we have them."

Or would you rather they said "Oh, no, we can't make and sell this until it is duly authorized and published"?

Because then, everybody would complain mightily that Vanguard sucks eggs cuz they're not ready with all the new changes the day the reg hits the street. And I'm pretty sure that it takes more than say 30 days to go from "here's a drawing of our badge" to "here are badges for sale."

As for ordering, well, I bet an email went around to the National Staff saying something to the effect of "OK, get 'em while they're hot. SKU OMG-2-KOOL, $18.50.  The boss wants everybody on staff wearing them at National Board, so get going."

[James Shaw]

Speaking of 39-1. New National Staff Badge from Vanguard arrived in mail today. Now just waiting for 39-1 publication.

Wow - talk about the cart before the horse.

Nothing publicly approved, but the vendor is already making new insignia.

So how does one go about ordering something which is neither publicly available, nor approved for wear?

The process for this was actually started in 2009. It has gone under several revisions and was approved several years ago. It had been in limbo due to the change in Governance and other Committee work.

This is a controlled item as directed by NHQ and you have to call them to order. You have to provide proof of National Staff status.

There was a reference to it in the draft version of 39-1.

[Panache]

This is a controlled item as directed by NHQ and you have to call them to order. You have to provide proof of National Staff status.

There was a reference to it in the draft version of 39-1.

That being said, it is an awfully spiffy insignia.

[Brit_in_CAP]

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

You completely left out 'Keeping Up Appearances.'

BUCKET RESIDENCE......That's Bouquet

I worked at a PBS station.  I could watch "KUA" until the sun burns out.

Poor Dickie...

Yeah...my children still like watching that even after we moved to the USA.  As children, they would look sideways at me and them mention how much Hyacinth reminded them of Grandma...

[Garibaldi]

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

You completely left out 'Keeping Up Appearances.'

BUCKET RESIDENCE......That's Bouquet

I worked at a PBS station.  I could watch "KUA" until the sun burns out.

Poor Dickie...

Yeah...my children still like watching that even after we moved to the USA.  As children, they would look sideways at me and them mention how much Hyacinth reminded them of Grandma...

Notify the press. Yet another uniform topic suffered thread drift!

Also, Rik Mayall, of The Young Ones fame and former husband of Jennifer Saunders (French and Saunders, AbFab) died this week.

[Checotah]

I discovered that my interpretation of the current polo shirt/pants combination specification was incorrect.  I thought the current specification, when calling for "commercial slacks/trousers", meant dress slacks.  Obviously, in reading some of the posts hereon it does not; many are apparently wearing utility pants, such as tacticals, which, of course, turns the combination into more of a work uniform than I envisioned.  When reading the proposed 39-1 revision, it actually clarifies this use by grouping it in the "Corporate-style Field Uniform" section and calling out "Tactical or 'Chinos' style" as options.  The seemingly disconnect then comes when "plain black dress shoe, dress boot.." are specified (along with "combat boots").  The current regs simply call for "Black shoes..." (not "black dress shoes"). 

I realize this new version is draft only at this point, and who knows what it will eventually specify when/if it is approved, but it just seems like there are opposing directions being taken for the pants and the footear. 

[NorCal21]

I have it on good authority that the new 39-1 will be released the 11th of June, 201

Interesting omission at the end there.

Well, hindsight is 20/20 but I would venture to say that whoever your "good authority" is was wrong. Still says 12 Mar 12.

[Spaceman3750]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

...as are bow ties...

Probably one of only a half dozen British TV shows that made it in the US

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

Don't forget Benny Hill, Torchwood, Orphan Black and dare I say it... Downton Abbey.

(Sorry I think Michelle Dockery is so hot!)

And Fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

I've watched the entire run of MI6/Spooks at least once on Netflix. Impressive that Peter Firth lasted the entire run given the number of actors they went through.

[Spaceman3750]

But they got cool hats.  I want a cool hat.

Fezzes are cool.

...as are bow ties...

Probably one of only a half dozen British TV shows that made it in the US

I don't know, there were quite a few good ones, aside from the good Doctor....Fawlty Towers, As Time Goes By (with the lovely Dame Judith Dench...), Ballykissangel, Absolutely Fabulous (even after seeing the entire series a few times, it's still a riot), Are You Being Served, and then of course all of the shows the Americans "adapted" (read "stole the idea for"): The Office (I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing at the BBC version...and I don't have asthma), the Gordon Ramsay catalog, Shameless....the list goes on....and I apparently watch too much television....

And fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

Don't forget Benny Hill, Torchwood, Orphan Black and dare I say it... Downton Abbey.

(Sorry I think Michelle Dockery is so hot!)

And Fezzes are cool.

And so are bow ties.

I've watched the entire run of MI6/Spooks at least once on Netflix. Impressive that Peter Firth lasted the entire run given the number of actors they went through.

Correction: MI-5 - Tapatalk won't let me edit.

[Devil Doc]

How about Top Gear or Doctor Who?

[JeffDG]

Speaking of 39-1. New National Staff Badge from Vanguard arrived in mail today. Now just waiting for 39-1 publication.

Wow - talk about the cart before the horse.

Nothing publicly approved, but the vendor is already making new insignia.

So how does one go about ordering something which is neither publicly available, nor approved for wear?

Rules are for the little people.

The Echelons-Above-Reality needn't worry themselves about "publicly available"