"ES For Dummies"

Started by Abby.L, January 09, 2012, 09:41:11 PM

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Duke Dillio

Since there was a lot of requests for my slide presentation I think it would be better for me to upload it and link it.  Anyone know the best place to upload a PP presentation?  Photobucket won't take it...

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Skydrive, google docs, dropbox.
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dropbox works well and is free

Duke Dillio

OK after pulling most of what is left of my hair out, I finally figured out how to work the skydrive.  Here's is the link to the presentation that I created.  Please note, all pictures came from public domain so if there are issues, please let me know and I will change them as necessary.  Feel free to use this presentation to your heart's content but please let me know if there are any errors or other things that I need to change so I can make this better.

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=47be79522c6aea8b&resid=47BE79522C6AEA8B!225&parid=47BE79522C6AEA8B!174

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In the flow chart, UDF is not necessarily a step in the GT progression. The UDF tasks are also a part of the GTL task set.
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Duke Dillio

I forgot to look at that.  In Oregon, you have to be UDF qualified before you can be GT qualified.  I'll update that here soon.  Thanks for the look out.

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Is that in an approved supplement?

I don't know how you would manage that from a practical perspective, since eServices doesn't recognize the dependency and
NESA would break that as well.

Not bad overall - you might want to mention all the cross-sign offs between ratings (i.e. they aren't really 100% linear)

FYI - The ES patch may also be worn on flight suits and utilities.

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Duke Dillio

It's not a supplement but rather a policy letter issued by the Director of Emergency Services in 2008.  I have not had the opportunity to discuss the issue with him (he is now the wing operations officer.)  If you'd like a copy of the letter, PM me and I will send it to you.

Basically, I believe the way that it works is that when you submit your GTM-3 qualification, the wing will deny if you do not already have UDF.  I also believe it was because the wing saw an issue with ground teams that were unable to DF beacons properly.

Good catch on the ES patch, I will get that fixed as well.

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Quote from: GoneAway on January 19, 2012, 03:27:14 AM
It's not a supplement but rather a policy letter issued by the Director of Emergency Services in 2008.  I have not had the opportunity to discuss the issue with him (he is now the wing operations officer.)  If you'd like a copy of the letter, PM me and I will send it to you.

Basically, I believe the way that it works is that when you submit your GTM-3 qualification, the wing will deny if you do not already have UDF.  I also believe it was because the wing saw an issue with ground teams that were unable to DF beacons properly.

Good catch on the ES patch, I will get that fixed as well.

If you have GTMs that can't DF, that's an issue when training the DF task. Whether you're going for UDF or GTM is irrelevant, because the core concepts are taught and evaluated exactly the same way. UDF gets more into triangulation and other mapwork, but on a ground team that's not the GTM3's job - that's the job of a GTM2+ or the GTL (it's not even on the 3 SQTR).

I would have been pretty PO'd if I was in your wing at that time. DOS's don't get to change the training progression on a whim and they certainly don't get to do it in a "policy letter" (which is merely an end-run around the supplement approval system).

Duke Dillio

Well, it happened before I got back into this wing.  I understand what they were trying to do but you would have to see the letter to really get a grasp of what they were up to.  This is one of the problems you run into when you have pilots who don't really know a whole lot about ground operations making decisions that affect ground ops.  When I get some time to discuss the matter, I will do so but right now I am just in the process of getting some people trained.  Per WMU, there are like three or four GTL's in the state and I trained two of them this last year.  Since I am not on wing staff, I am simply going around the state and providing training for those who ask.  Unfortunately, I am also working on chartering a squadron at the same time....


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