Uniform poll -- Adult leaders of Cadets

[RiverAux]

This would just apply to adults in cadet squadrons or those adults in composite squadrons dealing directly with cadets.  Assume all cadets will continue in AF-style uniforms only. 

[AlphaSigOU]

I'd rather see those adult leaders of cadets (of which I'm one) to either wear AF-style if meeting weight and grooming standards or blue corporates if directly working with cadets.

[MIKE]

You didn't mention grooming standards with the AF-style uniforms.  Is that implied?

[Major Carrales]

I would say the AF Style uniform and the CAP distinctives that wear in the same manner.

The Golf Shirt is, while easy to maintain, somewhat contrary to the image cadets are expected to follow.  Thus, a lead by example scheme is the best.  The Corportate uniforms (where you more or less chenge out the USAF blue shirt with an aviator shirt and replace shoulder marks) can demonstrate the same discipline.

I think the Golf Shirt is best for mission base and flying activities.

Just my initial impression, if you think I'm off the mark I'm willing to entertain optional opinions. 

[TankerT]

I think this poll is completely removed from reality. 

It is extremely hard to find some people in different areas to work with cadets.

I could care less what uniform they wear, as long as they wear it properly, and well.

I'd take that over a cadet activity or unit that falls apart because of some stupid uniform rule any day.

[Major Carrales]

I think this poll is completely removed from reality. 

It is extremely hard to find some people in different areas to work with cadets.

I could care less what uniform they wear, as long as they wear it properly, and well.

I'd take that over a cadet activity or unit that falls apart because of some stupid uniform rule any day.

If I'm not mistaken, current regs call for Seniors who work with cadets to wear a uniform.

[TankerT]

If I'm not mistaken, current regs call for Seniors who work with cadets to wear a uniform.

Thus my comment that I don't care what uniform they wear... notice I didn't say " I don't care what they wear..."

[MIKE]

If I'm not mistaken, current regs call for Seniors who work with cadets to wear a uniform.

This is true.  You should also note that current regs require that a CAP uniforms be worn "when engaged in normal duties as a CAP member or attending local, wing/region, or national CAP functions."

[RiverAux]

I think this poll is completely removed from reality. 

Then vote to keep the current mix of uniforms. 

You didn't mention grooming standards with the AF-style uniforms.  Is that implied?

Lets assume that current grooming rules would stay the same. 

[Chief Chiafos]

No matter what kind of uniform we ware - it ought to be prepared and worn correctly -

I have attached a uniform guide on how to prepare and wear the uniform

[Chief Chiafos]

By the way - I would appreciate any feed back you may have on the Gorilla Guide to Uniforms.  If something isn't worded clearly, or if you have suggestions to make it better, please let me know.

[Pace]

I didn't vote because my opinion doesn't fit any of those options in the strictest sense.

Personally, I think those involved in the cadet program should be held to the same standards (i.e. lead by example).  If you meet height/weight, mandatory USAF uniform.  If you don't, mandatory CAP military style uniform.  No facial hair except that allowed by USAF grooming standards.  Completely phase out the old grey & white corporate uniform in favor of the TPU.  Basically, Blues and TPU depending on height/weight.

If you don't wanna play by the rules, don't play with the cadets.

^^^Great in theory.  Alas, it would die a hard and fast death once boots hit the ground in many areas.  That or many squadrons' cadet programs would die a hard and fast death.

[RiverAux]

Yeah, maybe I should have added some mix & match options (AF-style and CAP uniforms only -- no "civilian" uniforms like golf shirt) but that would have quickly got out of hand. 

[Guardrail]

I didn't vote because my opinion doesn't fit any of those options in the strictest sense.

Personally, I think those involved in the cadet program should be held to the same standards (i.e. lead by example).  If you meet height/weight, mandatory USAF uniform.  If you don't, mandatory CAP military style uniform.  No facial hair except that allowed by USAF grooming standards.  Completely phase out the old grey & white corporate uniform in favor of the TPU.  Basically, Blues and TPU depending on height/weight.

If you don't wanna play by the rules, don't play with the cadets.

^^^Great in theory.  Alas, it would die a hard and fast death once boots hit the ground in many areas.  That or many squadrons' cadet programs would die a hard and fast death.

I don't know... I think if CAP had a Quality Assurance program (specialty track and all) maybe the idea wouldn't die a fast and hard death, as you say.  There would be more accountability. 

[Lancer]

I didn't vote because my opinion doesn't fit any of those options in the strictest sense.

Ditto.

Personally, I think those involved in the cadet program should be held to the same standards (i.e. lead by example).  If you meet height/weight, mandatory USAF uniform.  If you don't, mandatory CAP military style uniform.  No facial hair except that allowed by USAF grooming standards.  Completely phase out the old grey & white corporate uniform in favor of the TPU.  Basically, Blues and TPU depending on height/weight.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, in my case, I can only order everything but the pants. In fact, there are currently only two sizes available for the Corporate slacks. What gives Vanguard.

Some squadron's are lucky to even have Adult Officers show up regularly, so, like was said before by TankerT, as long as they are wearing a uniform and wearing it correctly...you've at least got the hard part out of the way.

[Pace]

I didn't vote because my opinion doesn't fit any of those options in the strictest sense.

Personally, I think those involved in the cadet program should be held to the same standards (i.e. lead by example).  If you meet height/weight, mandatory USAF uniform.  If you don't, mandatory CAP military style uniform.  No facial hair except that allowed by USAF grooming standards.  Completely phase out the old grey & white corporate uniform in favor of the TPU.  Basically, Blues and TPU depending on height/weight.

If you don't wanna play by the rules, don't play with the cadets.

^^^Great in theory.  Alas, it would die a hard and fast death once boots hit the ground in many areas.  That or many squadrons' cadet programs would die a hard and fast death.

Forgot to mention the operational uniforms, even though that's fairly straight forward:
Meet height/weight: mandatory Woodland BDUs (ground) or sage green flight suit (aircrew).
Don't meet height/weight: mandatory Blue BDUs (ground) or blue flight suit (aircrew).

If we'd focus on the mission and our people's success, we wouldn't have time to worry about the "stigma" that everyone tries to associate with requiring one uniform for fit people and one uniform for unfit people.  You're not going to make everyone happy now or ever so do what's best for the group's uniformity and tell the whiners (on both sides) to lock it up.

[SarDragon]

Why do I sense a discrimanatory attitude against mixing facial hair and cadet leaders?

[aveighter]

By the way - I would appreciate any feed back you may have on the Gorilla Guide to Uniforms.  If something isn't worded clearly, or if you have suggestions to make it better, please let me know.

Chief,

You have written a masterpiece!  Should be required reading.  A tip of the former Marine hat to you.  I am laughing out loud, however, as I imagine the twisted faces and howls of indignation welling up amongst the non-believers, lip quiverers and "we're o o o n l y civilians" crowd and the like.

[DNall]

By the way - I would appreciate any feed back you may have on the Gorilla Guide to Uniforms.  If something isn't worded clearly, or if you have suggestions to make it better, please let me know.

Chief,
You have written a masterpiece!  Should be required reading.  A tip of the former Marine hat to you.  I am laughing out loud, however, as I imagine the twisted faces and howls of indignation welling up amongst the non-believers, lip quiverers and "we're o o o n l y civilians" crowd and the like.

Think I can get some uTube on that? Be nice pick me up now & then.

I didn't vote because my opinion doesn't fit any of those options in the strictest sense.

Personally, I think those involved in the cadet program should be held to the same standards (i.e. lead by example).  If you meet height/weight, mandatory USAF uniform.  If you don't, mandatory CAP military style uniform.  No facial hair except that allowed by USAF grooming standards.  Completely phase out the old grey & white corporate uniform in favor of the TPU.  Basically, Blues and TPU depending on height/weight.

If you don't wanna play by the rules, don't play with the cadets.

^^^Great in theory.  Alas, it would die a hard and fast death once boots hit the ground in many areas.  That or many squadrons' cadet programs would die a hard and fast death.

Forgot to mention the operational uniforms, even though that's fairly straight forward:
Meet height/weight: mandatory Woodland BDUs (ground) or sage green flight suit (aircrew).
Don't meet height/weight: mandatory Blue BDUs (ground) or blue flight suit (aircrew).

If we'd focus on the mission and our people's success, we wouldn't have time to worry about the "stigma" that everyone tries to associate with requiring one uniform for fit people and one uniform for unfit people.  You're not going to make everyone happy now or ever so do what's best for the group's uniformity and tell the whiners (on both sides) to lock it up.

So basically AF-style if you meet the quals, corp-style if not, and specifically designated UOD for every type event as a general guidance when none is published in the OPPLAN, and req that it be published in OPPLANs & stated for meeting, etc. Yeah I agree with that. I just voted AF-style ht/wt cause that's close as it came.

Why do I sense a discrimanatory attitude against mixing facial hair and cadet leaders?

In a perfect world cadet programs officers would wear AF-style as an example of how it should be worn. I don't have anything against the fuzzy or fat, just so they preset a professional image & wear whatever uniform to the highest standards (especially when around cadets) & the appropriate uniform for the event (which never includes a golf shirt).

[Pace]

Why do I sense a discrimanatory attitude against mixing facial hair and cadet leaders?

I had a nice beard going on not too long ago.  I almost considered putting CAP on the backburner for a while and enjoying my facial hair.  Since I chose to get back involved, I'm of the belief that you follow the standards of those under you or those that look up to you.  I'm not sure about the Sea Cadets, but every other miltary-style cadet program that I'm aware of requires their "adult leaders of cadets" to conform to the same standards their cadets abide by.  They have to be clean shaven.  I have to be clean shaven.  If I'm not working with the cadets then it's a different issue entirely, but if I'm going to claim to be able to lead them then I at least need to meet their standard, if not exceed it.  That's just a training environment for you.  Step out of the training environment, and it's whatever ya got in your closet.

If it's good enough for JROTC, NJROTC, MCJROTC, CGJROTC, AFJROTC, ACA, and the Young Marines, it can't be that bad of an idea for CAP.