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 11 
 on: Yesterday at 10:54:41 PM 
Started by Jester - Last post by jfkspotting
As a flight sergeant this year, this is absolutely ridiculous.

 12 
 on: Yesterday at 10:53:25 PM 
Started by OldGuy - Last post by Johnny Yuma
Easy solution:

Reorganize NASA as a uniformed service under Title 10 and place them under the Secretary of Defense. Transfer budget, personnel and operations of both NASA, National Reconnaissance Office and USAF Space Command to new service with its senior leader a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

You're welcome.

 13 
 on: Yesterday at 10:39:10 PM 
Started by OldGuy - Last post by Johnny Yuma
Space Shuttle Door Gunner specialty hashed out yet?


Only available for those who wash out of the Imperial Storm Trooper Indoctrination Course...

 14 
 on: Yesterday at 06:49:28 PM 
Started by Jester - Last post by Ned
True, there's nothing to back it up, because for some reason CAP has equated a set of pushups to a physical assault. 

Let me see if I can help here.  While we continue the discussion of when raised voices may be appropriate at encampment, I need to respond to this to avoid any confusion.

For several years, our Cadet Protection Doctrine stated that physical exercise as punishment ("Drop and Give Me 20") was a form of hazing.  That was unnecessarily confusing and has been corrected in the current version of both the 60-1, and the encampment guidance.  I can certainly see how, in the past, it might have been equated as an equivalent to a physical assault in some circumstances.  But that is no longer the case.

Physical exercise as punishment is nonetheless strictly prohibited at any and all cadet activities, including encampment.  It is not hazing, per se, but is a violation of a best practice, and is almost always treated as a boundary concern rather than hazing.  There are countless tools good leaders have to create group discipline, cohesion, and esprit de corps, but pushups are not one of them in CAP.  We simply removed that particular tool from the tool box.

Think of it this way:  CAP absolutely forbids hazing.  Plus we have another rule that prohibits using physical exercise as punishment.  They are different concepts.

Ned Lee
National CP Manager

 15 
 on: Yesterday at 06:23:46 PM 
Started by Jester - Last post by abdsp51
Man, you really need to come out of the stone age and adapt.  In my 20 year career i never did push ups as an form of punishment.  Wait that's because in my career it's not allowed and punishment is adminestered by certain folks.

And you can thank society for the way things are.  Do I think kids these days need to be a little more tougher sure unfortunately yelling at them isn't going to toughen anyone up.

I think your heart may be in the right place, your methods are dated.

 16 
 on: Yesterday at 05:19:24 PM 
Started by huey - Last post by Laplace
My understanding from my recent SUI is that AoCís are no longer a thing. It also does not appear in the ratings definition section of the SUI template. It might still be somewhere else, I didnít look that hard.


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Huh. Yeah they did take AoCs out, I just looked through the SUI Report template.

SUI Inspectors are still encouraged to detail and list AoCs under the Identified Weakness section, and they will remain in the final version of the SUI Report.  They are not counted in the area that details the Mission Grades and number of Discrepancies or Commendables.

AoCs are in the draft version of the Wing CI Report, but removed in the final version.

 17 
 on: Yesterday at 04:56:46 PM 
Started by Jester - Last post by Jester
This is the breeding of weakness.  It's making cadets who think it's supposed to be all fun, all the time.

Isn't it?

Quote from: CAPR 60-1

1.6.5. Fun. CAP should be fun. New friends and great opportunities are the hallmarks of cadet life.
The cadets who work hard in CAP reap the most benefits, but the program should not be another form of
school Ė it needs to be fun, hands-on, rewarding, and exciting. Proper adult supervision, an emphasis on
risk management, and teamwork built upon mutual respect create a safe and fun environment. Every
activity should be fun, for cadets and their adult leaders alike.

It is literally impossible to make CAP all fun, all the time for everybody.  Good grief.  "I don't like to run, it's not fun for me."  OK, you still have to participate in order to be in the program.  Without a willingness to suffer hardship and discomfort, nobody would get anywhere.  Might as well introduce that in controlled doses early in the cadet experience.

Yes, most of the program should be fun, but we shouldn't encourage the ability to shy away from the necessary parts that enable us to earn the fun parts.  Doing so is only going to lead to, wait for it... weakness.

And in the process of, and as a result of, completing something challenging and difficult, the cadet may even find that they enjoyed it. 

 

 18 
 on: Yesterday at 04:51:57 PM 
Started by Jester - Last post by Jester
True, there's nothing to back it up, because for some reason CAP has equated a set of pushups to a physical assault.  In my view, PT as punishment isn't a big deal when done correctly (and using common-sense guidelines coupled with the training/supervision that apparently isn't happening if you think they can't be taught to use a raised voice correctly).  However, I don't see that changing as CAP policy any time soon, and probably never.  Congratulations, you slipped the standard too far down and now you've cut the legs out from under cadet staff members who have a week or less to establish control and move a group of people through a challenging curriculum (or what should be a challenging curriculum). 

Glad nobody gets the sadsies when their muscles are made to burn for making a dumb choice.   There's no consequences, only happy times no matter what you do (until they push the limit too far and get sent home early.  Sure would be good if you had a plethora of progressive tools available to correct behavior before you got to the nuclear option, but lay in the bed you demanded be made).

And all the hypothetical situations you've outlined have really just proved that some situations aren't appropriate for yelling, not that yelling is never appropriate.  And so they got yelled at for something that wasn't in their span of control?  So what?  They could just suck it up and perform, instead of going "BUT SIRRRRR, MY SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS AND A HOST OF OTHER FACTORS MEANS I NEED A PAAAAASSSSS".  Stop giving them excuses to use, they need to learn how to shrug it off and keep moving forward. 

 19 
 on: Yesterday at 04:33:02 PM 
Started by Peculate - Last post by Eclipse
You can go to as many as you can get to / are accepted to.  It's not unusual for some cadets to be gone all summer
and go from one activity to the next.

As an example, you could easily hit Johnson Flight Academy, HMRS, and then still make Blue Beret or NESA, with more then a month left of the summer after,
and those are just examples of the flashier ones.  There's plenty of others that don't overlap.

 20 
 on: Yesterday at 04:18:55 PM 
Started by Peculate - Last post by Peculate
Is there a limit on how many NCSA's a person could do per summer? Say Event 1 happened one month, while Event 2 happened the other month. Could a cadet do both?

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