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Cadet Programs => Encampments & NCSAs => Topic started by: Cebman21 on March 26, 2017, 12:11:53 PM

Title: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Cebman21 on March 26, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
Does anyone have ideas about any new NCSAs or restarting old ones.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Nor'easter on March 26, 2017, 01:57:33 PM
I would love to see the return of AF Security Forces Familiarization course. If the AF could muster the support, perhaps elsewhere than Nellis, I think it would be a great addition to our NCSAs and cadet interest again.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Jester on March 26, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
I'd like to see the 820th Base Defense Group host one at Moody. There's enough there to fill a week of good training.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: oweng_01 on March 26, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
I would love to see the return of AF Security Forces Familiarization course. If the AF could muster the support, perhaps elsewhere than Nellis, I think it would be a great addition to our NCSAs and cadet interest again.

This would be great! Also bringing back the Combat Controller Orientation Course.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: abdsp51 on March 26, 2017, 03:38:56 PM
I'd like to see the 820th Base Defense Group host one at Moody. There's enough there to fill a week of good training.

Nellis or Ft Hood where the SF Training center is located would be better.  Would give a much better idea on what Defenders do than the 820th.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: TheSkyHornet on March 26, 2017, 03:43:26 PM
I would love to see the return of AF Security Forces Familiarization course. If the AF could muster the support, perhaps elsewhere than Nellis, I think it would be a great addition to our NCSAs and cadet interest again.

This is something that I've heard people bring up here as well.

Army ROTC provides a summer training opportunity for internships as well, where ROTC cadets can shadow officers at active duty units, such as with the medical corps. I'd like to see something along this line for cadets, where they could perhaps shadow different officers or senior enlisted of various military branches for, say, a week. Imagine the exposure to actual operations if a cadet was to spend a week in San Antonio shadowing the nursing school, or spent time with a missile defense office. I can think of numerous security concerns with this, as well as possible CPP issues for cadets under 18 that would need to be scrutinized, but it's just an idea.

Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Jester on March 26, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
I'd like to see the 820th Base Defense Group host one at Moody. There's enough there to fill a week of good training.

Nellis or Ft Hood where the SF Training center is located would be better.  Would give a much better idea on what Defenders do than the 820th.

There's always the Moody base cops they can go spend a day with to practice setting up traffic traps on 820th deployment homecoming days.

I'd rather see a base defense orientation course, but that would be better served with an ABD-only career field which is outside the scope of this discussion as much as I love to engage in it, and will never happen anyway.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Cebman21 on March 26, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
I would love to see the return of AF Security Forces Familiarization course. If the AF could muster the support, perhaps elsewhere than Nellis, I think it would be a great addition to our NCSAs and cadet interest again.
there was a SF course?
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Nor'easter on March 27, 2017, 07:44:49 AM
I would love to see the return of AF Security Forces Familiarization course. If the AF could muster the support, perhaps elsewhere than Nellis, I think it would be a great addition to our NCSAs and cadet interest again.
there was a SF course?

Yes, held as a winter activity at Nellis AFB. I'm not sure how long it ran... 3 years I believe, maybe 4. Here's a recruiting poster (http://ncsas.com/file.cfm/media/careerfairs/documents/USAF_SFFC_Info_Flyer_Class_3_E9B431273BB5C.pdf) from the last year it was held.

*Actually, it appears that it never received full NCSA accreditation. It was just a Nevada-wing run activity, open nationally for application through eServices.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: sarmed1 on March 27, 2017, 10:21:27 AM
Survival School (either the original type run at the AFA or CSS that some of the CadetStuff folks use to run)

I like the USAF career field orientation courses
CCT
SF
would like to see a medical one.....
when I lived in San Antonio some friends and I chatted about doing an Aeromedical Evacuation Orientation Course
basic aeromed, flight physiology, altitude chamber, water survival, and some simulated missions on at least a C130 (we had a static for training)

MK



Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Offutteer on March 27, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
I'd like to see the old FAA Fam Course reinstated.

I'd also like to see a medical Fam Course started.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: sarmed1 on March 27, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
The difficulty with medical fam course we have found when talking about it is that a lot of the "fun" of an activity is lost if they doent have a medical background coming into it, but to do anything worthwhile to create a medical "background" will be around 4-5 days of drink from the firehose.  So which end of the spectrum do you concentrate the activity on?

mk
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Spam on March 27, 2017, 12:02:27 PM
The difficulty with medical fam course we have found when talking about it is that a lot of the "fun" of an activity is lost if they doent have a medical background coming into it, but to do anything worthwhile to create a medical "background" will be around 4-5 days of drink from the firehose.  So which end of the spectrum do you concentrate the activity on?

mk

Well, I've loaded blue-nose AIM-9s with cadets without having to teach them advanced math to cover missile transfer alignments or weapons school level fuzing... the scope is a FAM only, so familiarization with what a given community does is the goal.

I would totally get behind an aero med fam course, since I work with that community in my design work and see its value. On a FAM level, there's a lot that can be done, as you've clearly laid out some great activities; I remember taking a group of a dozen 16+ year old cadets through an alt chamber in FLWG (needed an FAA student medical to ride) and they had a blast. Literally. We warned them what not to eat the night before or for breakfast *and they ignored this; it was educational and fun to watch the girls and boys reactions at low pressure. All the boys belched and "vented" liberally, laughing behind their masks, while the girls struggled with the discomfort until one on the end lifted a cheek and vented (which promptly triggered a serial ripple fart amongst the other young ladies and an identical row of red upper faces behind their masks)!  Good fun - very educational - actually quite "team building".

V/r
Spam






Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: randomcadet1941 on March 28, 2017, 01:51:01 PM
I believe that Sheppard AFB would make for an amazing campus for CAP. Whether it's NCSAs, encampments , ALS, or anything else. They could host a FAM for ENJJPT (NATO pilot training), mechanical courses, and a number of other NCSAs.


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Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: PHall on March 28, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
I believe that Sheppard AFB would make for an amazing campus for CAP. Whether it's NCSAs, encampments , ALS, or anything else. They could host a FAM for ENJJPT (NATO pilot training), mechanical courses, and a number of other NCSAs.


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Sheppard is a Tech School Base and a Pilot Training Base, finding enough billeting rooms for something as large as a NCSA could be a real problem.
Plus the Billeting costs and the cost to feed everyone would probably bankrupt us.
Title: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: randomcadet1941 on March 28, 2017, 08:01:26 PM
I believe that Sheppard AFB would make for an amazing campus for CAP. Whether it's NCSAs, encampments , ALS, or anything else. They could host a FAM for ENJJPT (NATO pilot training), mechanical courses, and a number of other NCSAs.


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Sheppard is a Tech School Base and a Pilot Training Base, finding enough billeting rooms for something as large as a NCSA could be a real problem.
Plus the Billeting costs and the cost to feed everyone would probably bankrupt us.

Just on Sheppard today, food wasn't too bad on pricing Was about $60 for 30 people, or about $2 per person, including dessert and going back for second rounds of meals. Additionally, local food is good and cost effective.

Billeting is an issue in and of itself regardless of location. However I do believe that there is some available on base, considering there are a number of dormitories on base. The main option for something like an NCSA, if there wasn't enough dorms available, is the Sheppard Inn. It's an option that SUPTFC at Laughlin uses, so it could be feasible for Sheppard.

Additionally, I've heard they have been particularly friendly to CAP in the past. New wing king arrived last week, so not much info there, but the past couple kings have supposedly been working to improve relations.

Edit: I think it should be noted there are 20,000 permanent party throughout the year, and over 60,000 are trained every year at SAFB. Just based off of that, although I have no prior logistics knowledge, I'd think there'd be some form of billeting available.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: PHall on March 29, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
I believe that Sheppard AFB would make for an amazing campus for CAP. Whether it's NCSAs, encampments , ALS, or anything else. They could host a FAM for ENJJPT (NATO pilot training), mechanical courses, and a number of other NCSAs.


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Sheppard is a Tech School Base and a Pilot Training Base, finding enough billeting rooms for something as large as a NCSA could be a real problem.
Plus the Billeting costs and the cost to feed everyone would probably bankrupt us.

Just on Sheppard today, food wasn't too bad on pricing Was about $60 for 30 people, or about $2 per person, including dessert and going back for second rounds of meals. Additionally, local food is good and cost effective.

Billeting is an issue in and of itself regardless of location. However I do believe that there is some available on base, considering there are a number of dormitories on base. The main option for something like an NCSA, if there wasn't enough dorms available, is the Sheppard Inn. It's an option that SUPTFC at Laughlin uses, so it could be feasible for Sheppard.

Additionally, I've heard they have been particularly friendly to CAP in the past. New wing king arrived last week, so not much info there, but the past couple kings have supposedly been working to improve relations.

Edit: I think it should be noted there are 20,000 permanent party throughout the year, and over 60,000 are trained every year at SAFB. Just based off of that, although I have no prior logistics knowledge, I'd think there'd be some form of billeting available.

I can tell you right now that the Tech School Dorms (2 man rooms, not open bay) are not available. They do not want "outsiders" mixed in with the students.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: LATORRECA on March 29, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
NCSA at Parris Island I bet is enough to do in the Island. 😈😈😈😈

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Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: GaryVC on April 04, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
I was talking with our cadet commander last night. She said that although her mother (who is a CAP member) had encouraged her to apply for special activities, there was very little that interested her except of the ones labeled "leadership." I can think of two areas that are missing. One is Intel for which it would be easy to teach an unclassified orientation course, probably at the schoolhouse.  Another is music which could be done with the Air Force Band in DC and could be open to both instrumentalists and vocalists. I think these could be very positive for the Air Force and would encourage CAP cadets to join in those career fields.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: THRAWN on April 04, 2017, 02:26:44 PM
I was talking with our cadet commander last night. She said that although her mother (who is a CAP member) had encouraged her to apply for special activities, there was very little that interested her except of the ones labeled "leadership." I can think of two areas that are missing. One is Intel for which it would be easy to teach an unclassified orientation course, probably at the schoolhouse.  Another is music which could be done with the Air Force Band in DC and could be open to both instrumentalists and vocalists. I think these could be very positive for the Air Force and would encourage CAP cadets to join in those career fields.

Both would be great additions. There has been a noticeable decline in the number of military bands across the nation in recent years. Something like this might help to slow that down a bit. The intel idea is good as well. DHS offers an unclassified week long course on the use of open source intelligence during threat analysis. It's a good intro to the intel field, gets students some real world skills, and can be done literally anywhere, since the instructor staff comes to you.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Eclipse on April 04, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
I have been thinking that a "Life Skills Academy" is sorely needed for CAP cadets.  The BSA provides well-rounded
(i.e. all over the map) instruction and orientation in all sorts of life-relevent skills, but with CAP, if it's not in or around
a plane, paramilitary life, or involve sleeping on the ground, it doesn't happen.

Things like woodworking, welding, sewing, auto-repair - just steal from the merit badge list and find the fun / relevent ones.
One day per "basic skill" could be a good orientation.

When I've brought it up in the past, the idea was well-received, but the logistics of week-long activities, especially
something like this, are daunting.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: THRAWN on April 04, 2017, 03:20:36 PM
I have been thinking that a "Life Skills Academy" is sorely needed for CAP cadets.  The BSA provides well-rounded
(i.e. all over the map) instruction and orientation in all sorts of life-relevent skills, but with CAP, if it's not in or around
a plane, paramilitary life, or involve sleeping on the ground, it doesn't happen.

Things like woodworking, welding, sewing, auto-repair - just steal from the merit badge list and find the fun / relevent ones.
One day per "basic skill" could be a good orientation.

When I've brought it up in the past, the idea was well-received, but the logistics of week-long activities, especially
something like this, are daunting.

Change the car's oil and tires, cook a balanced dinner, hem some pants and put on a zipper, household budgeting, minor home repair....sounds like middle school 30 years ago....but it is a good idea. My wife is a high school teacher and one of her biggest complaints is that by the time her students are graduation, they have no idea how to do anything but take tests.....This would be a good local experiment, workout the kinks and then (shudder) "get er done"...
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on April 04, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
I have been thinking that a "Life Skills Academy" is sorely needed for CAP cadets.  The BSA provides well-rounded
(i.e. all over the map) instruction and orientation in all sorts of life-relevent skills, but with CAP, if it's not in or around
a plane, paramilitary life, or involve sleeping on the ground, it doesn't happen.

Things like woodworking, welding, sewing, auto-repair - just steal from the merit badge list and find the fun / relevent ones.
One day per "basic skill" could be a good orientation.

When I've brought it up in the past, the idea was well-received, but the logistics of week-long activities, especially
something like this, are daunting.

Change the car's oil and tires, cook a balanced dinner, hem some pants and put on a zipper, household budgeting, minor home repair....sounds like middle school 30 years ago....but it is a good idea. My wife is a high school teacher and one of her biggest complaints is that by the time her students are graduation, they have no idea how to do anything but take tests.....This would be a good local experiment, workout the kinks and then (shudder) "get er done"...


Personal Finance/Planning Retirement was the best course I took in college...It was an elective...I was in a Finance track...
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: GaryVC on April 05, 2017, 01:44:02 PM
There has been a noticeable decline in the number of military bands across the nation in recent years. Something like this might help to slow that down a bit.

As far as I know, this is all about the $$$.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: THRAWN on April 05, 2017, 01:55:14 PM
There has been a noticeable decline in the number of military bands across the nation in recent years. Something like this might help to slow that down a bit.

As far as I know, this is all about the $$$.

It's a part of it. Since many schools have gutted their music programs, they have a lack of qualified applicants to take the place of people leaving the service. No applicants, bands shrink, Congress red lines the funding, and the beat goes on....
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: sploding on August 07, 2017, 06:29:02 AM
Honestly one thing CAP could benefit from is having more career centered training and possibly keeping NCSA,s but giving local commands more options to host trainings . I am and E-4 in Coast Guard JROTC (sea cadets ) and a Mitchell in CAP, the one thing I hate is that that whenever I bring these ideas up they get dimissed as navy bs when in reality they could be useful to CAP. I am completely fed up with participation in multiple programs being incintivised in by national with advanced promotions , training credit equivalences and even having some ribbons I earned Sea side transfer over with approval from wing and national for some of the listed things but being treated as less of a CAP member because your not 100%CAP 100%of the time by squadron and wing. we refuse to look at each other's best practices and implement a system that encourages sharing information and adapting policies to work for us from JROTC,BSA and explorer programs . With my rant on CAP's collective refusal to adapt and overcome over I would like to see something like this implemented into eservices https://magellan.seacadets.org/public/training.asp this website ia a list of all NSCC training opportunities that's while dwindled now was filled with 10+ trainings per category ranging from 2.5 weeks training with seal teams to a couple days learning to cook . The reason that they had close to 80+ NCSAs this summer was due to training being de centralized and every command who wished to being able to provide training on a field they specialized in (land warfare , aviation maintenance , special ops , etc) this also allows smaller commands to raise funds by hosting cadets for a training and I believe CAP could benefit a great deal from adopting some of these things .
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on August 07, 2017, 09:20:50 AM
Oh boy. You will not like my answer.

1. "They" reject you not because "they are Navy things" but because "they" see you as a critic and are tired of you criticizing the program "they" love. If you would stop pushing your agenda and stick to CAP agenda, "they" would like and accept you more.

2. Have you stopped to think that if "they" wanted to do Navy things they would not have joined CAP but Sea Cadets or Navy JROTC? "They" saw what CAP offers, and they liked it. Again, your coming after "they" joined "they" see you as a killjoy.

3. Also each organization has its own "organizational culture." This is based on what has been done in the past in that organization, but it is also a reflection of how laws and regulations affect that organization. CAP cannot accept everything all its members like because there is a Federal Law that established it, there are other Laws, state and Federal, affecting what the corporation can and cannot do. One such regulation affects what we call our parent organization. USAF. So they also have "their" hand in the "CAP pie."

4. Lastly, there cannot be a big deviation from unit to unit, Group to Group, Wing to Wing, and Region to Region. Otherwise we could not be known as CAP. As of now, when there is a specific curriculum if I can apply such a concept, it is still not interpreted exactly the same by all members. What would happen if the diversity you are asking is adopted?

5. I am sure other members could say all this in a different way. Other members may disagree. But that is OK. This is the result of being in a national organization.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: PHall on August 07, 2017, 11:33:51 AM
For once Luis, I'm in total agreement with you. :o

And cadet, I have just one question for you. Why are you in CAP? It sounds like you're not having a good time. So why bother...
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Eclipse on August 07, 2017, 12:47:58 PM
+1 - You're trying to compare very different organizations with very different cultures, goals, and mandates, and
squeeze them into the same box as if that's a good idea.

If you're frustrated with "participation in multiple programs", the only person who can fix that is you.

Clearly you are still gaining value from all of them, each has their own expectations and opportunities, if not, you should disengage.

In regards to decorations across organizations, can you wear CAP ribbons on your JROTC uniform?  How about
Boy Scout patches?

As to acceptance of ideas?  It's all in the presentation.
Title: Re: New NCSAs or Old
Post by: Offutteer on August 07, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
Honestly one thing CAP could benefit from is having more career centered training and possibly keeping NCSA,s but giving local commands more options to host trainings.

CAP's local squadrons are supposed to ensure that there is at least one activity each month.  Each squadron is only limited by their imagination and resources, and good imagination can overcome some resource limitations (of course, there are also special requirements for High Adventure Activities).  NHQ has given a wide latitude when it comes to wings and units hosting activities.  They've opened up their NCSAs.com (http://NCSAs.com) web page to advertise activities not hosted by NHQ and also their application system. 

The activities I reviewed from the Sea Cadets page seem to be very limited in the number of cadets they accept, as compared to CAP.  So, it looks like there are a lot as compared to CAP, once you take the # of slots available, I think that CAP would come out ahead.