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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: Flying Pig on March 21, 2007, 10:40:39 PM

Title: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: Flying Pig on March 21, 2007, 10:40:39 PM
If someone is already a CAP member, can they use a CAP C-182 to gain their HP endorsement if they use a CAP member CFI?

Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: CFI_Ed on March 22, 2007, 01:36:26 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: Flying Pig on March 22, 2007, 03:50:14 AM
YEEEEEES!   ;D
Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on March 22, 2007, 01:20:38 PM
Since when is a SKYLANE a High Performance capable Airframe?
Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: Flying Pig on March 22, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
The 182 has a 230 bhp engine.  Over 200 bhp + and you are required to have High Performance endorsement.

Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on March 23, 2007, 07:52:37 AM
No disrespect intended- just disbelief-
The HP endorsment is based on HP, not Aerobatic ability? WoW! .....
- opinion of FAA drops accordingly.

Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: SJFedor on March 23, 2007, 10:10:38 AM
Yeah, the term "high performance" has to do with respect only to the horsepower of the engine of the aircraft. Kinda like a high performance car references mainly to the car's engine. If I could make a pinto do 0-60 in 3.4, that would be considered a high performance car, right?

Mainly because HP aircraft are typically more advanced then your dads piper cub, w/ constant speed prop, as well as the fact that they can have a lot more yaw on takeoff, and can get you into trouble just a bit faster.

But yes virginia, you may do your high performance endorsement in a CAP aircraft. I just did it a few months ago. A local FBO near here does a high performance endorsement course for $1000 in a 182, with 5 hours of flight time and a checkride/checkout. Needless to say, doing it in CAP saved me some green.

However, to fly the 182 in CAP w/o a CFI, you'll need to follow the 60-1's "high performance transition" course, which revolves mainly on  landings, since the 182 is a lot more nose heavy then the 172, which can equal bent firewalls if you're not careful. Also, the 182 at full power can get very nose high, almost parachute-requirement nose high before it'll stall, which can get u in trouble. I recommend doing it, because it'll give you some more respect for a high performance engine.
Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: Al Sayre on March 23, 2007, 10:13:16 AM
The reason for the endorsement is to ensure that a pilot is cognizant of the (generally) more complicated systems of operating larger engines so that they are operated properly.  For example: use of cowl flaps to control engine temp, manifold pressure vs. altitude, controllable pitch props (on most high performance aircraft), turbochargers and blowers and their effects and so forth.
Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on March 23, 2007, 10:26:54 AM
I suppose I should apologize, but when I think of a High performance car I think of an engine able to outrun police cruisers and a suspension system to match. While wheeling through fields, off through yards and over curbs. 

;D
I'm see it often enough - or rather its result, at work -

When I think of a high performance plane I think of one that is fast and nimble. With an Airframe to match: capable of Immelmanns Barrel Rolls and such

Read: Pitts Special, F15 etc...

JMHO
Title: Re: High Performance Endorsement
Post by: flyguy06 on March 23, 2007, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on March 23, 2007, 10:26:54 AM
I suppose I should apologize, but when I think of a High performance car I think of an engine able to outrun police cruisers and a suspension system to match. While wheeling through fields, off through yards and over curbs. 

;D
I'm see it often enough - or rather its result, at work -

When I think of a high performance plane I think of one that is fast and nimble. With an Airframe to match: capable of Immelmanns Barrel Rolls and such

Read: Pitts Special, F15 etc...

JMHO

A High Performance plane is fast compared to regualr single engine piston airplanes. In fact, a C-182 is fatser than a lot of light twins such s a Duchess or Semiole