Missouri Bootheel Levee Demolition

[Senior]

Cairo is pronounced (KAY-ROW) in southern Missouri/Illinois.

[jimmydeanno]

I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions to make up the loss of crops that would result in all of the farmers moving away from the river area? Food comes from somewhere... And a bunch of it comes from the area in question.

The food that is being grown isn't going to have a significant impact on the world's food supply.  Instead of having three harvest seasons this year, they'll only get two.  The damage to the infrastructure is the most costly part, not the seed that is lost, or the food that isn't going to make it onto the world markets.

I'd be more concerned if I lived in Cuba, where the government just decided to start mixing dried peas back into the domestically sold coffee mix to alleviate the price, than I would about some sudden shortage of food world-wide.

[Eclipse]

Cairo is pronounced (KAY-ROW) in southern Missouri/Illinois.

While I don't doubt that for a minute, that must be some sort of local evolution designed, for some reason, to distance itself from Egypt.  This despite the fact that most urban legends hold that the area is referred to as "Little Egypt" specifically because of its similarity to the Nile Delta (floods and all).

[coudano]

i've seen men killed for less, in that area.

[SarDragon]

Cairo is pronounced (KAY-ROW) in southern Missouri/Illinois.

Indeed it is. I learned that pronunciation back in the '50s, so it isn't new. Yeah, this ain't Egypt. It's one of those peculiar regionalisms/Americanisms we endure. There are others from the Midwest I'll save for another time and thread.

[ol'fido]

Cairo is pronounced (KAY-ROW) in southern Missouri/Illinois.

Indeed it is. I learned that pronunciation back in the '50s, so it isn't new. Yeah, this ain't Egypt. It's one of those peculiar regionalisms/Americanisms we endure. There are others from the Midwest I'll save for another time and thread.

Yes, it is pronounced KAY-ROW down here and New Madrid is pronounced NEW MAD-RED and not like the capitol of Spain. We also have a town called El Dorado that is pronounced EL-DEAU-RAY-DEAU.

[arBar]

Cairo is pronounced (KAY-ROW) in southern Missouri/Illinois.

Indeed it is. I learned that pronunciation back in the '50s, so it isn't new. Yeah, this ain't Egypt. It's one of those peculiar regionalisms/Americanisms we endure. There are others from the Midwest I'll save for another time and thread.

Yes, it is pronounced KAY-ROW down here and New Madrid is pronounced NEW MAD-RED and not like the capitol of Spain. We also have a town called El Dorado that is pronounced EL-DEAU-RAY-DEAU.

And don't forget that Palestine, AR is pronounced pal uh STEEN.
And why is the o in Bollinger County pronounced as a U?
And what about Hayti?  I've always heard it as high tie, but someone the other day said it was like Haiti.

[SarDragon]

OK, since this is going to persist:

MON-roe Township, NJ (em-PHA-sis on the first syl-LAB-le)
char-LOTTE, MI

[coudano]

there's a town here called auxvasse.
you can imagine.

[Eclipse]

ol'fido sent me these with permission to post, my apologies for taking so long.

This is where most CAP people from ILWG stayed during the KY Icequake mission in 2009.
I specifically remember parking in that lot and using that back door.















For details on the pics, I'll have to look to Randy.

[ol'fido]

Photo 1- As Bob said is Harrah's Casino in Metropolis.

Photo 2- This is the Brookport, IL bridge from the KY side.

Photo 3- This is the same bridge from the Brookport, IL side.

This bridge was closed a couple of days after these photos because of high water on the KY side.

Photo 4- The Metropolis I-24 bridge on the IL side.

Photo 5-The I-24 bridge at midriver looking east.

Photo 6- The I-24 bridge from the KY side looking NNE.

Photo 7- The RR bridge at Metropolis from the IL side. About 1 mile west of the I=24 bridge.

[ol'fido]

Just heard on the news tonight the the Rt 45 bridge at Brookport reopened today. Also, most of the roads in my county are open as well. :clap:

[commando1]

We have not been officially activated but my unit has been down in Memphis filling/stacking sandbags to brace the seawall around the Memphis Pyramid. The Mississippi is forecasted to crest at 48 feet. Thats about 15-20 feet above flood stage. 

You couldn't get an unfunded corporate number to do it? My wing was doing just that in Evansville last week. Doing rogue ops like you are is not a smart thing to do. Posting it on the internet is even dumber.

Yeah cause just plain old "volunteering" outside of CAP is completly black ops...?

[Spaceman3750]

We have not been officially activated but my unit has been down in Memphis filling/stacking sandbags to brace the seawall around the Memphis Pyramid. The Mississippi is forecasted to crest at 48 feet. Thats about 15-20 feet above flood stage. 

You couldn't get an unfunded corporate number to do it? My wing was doing just that in Evansville last week. Doing rogue ops like you are is not a smart thing to do. Posting it on the internet is even dumber.

Yeah cause just plain old "volunteering" outside of CAP is completly black ops...?

It has a lot to do with insurance and proper management of CAP resources. It's one thing to march in a community parade or volunteer at the airshow - it's another thing entirely to be working on an incident without having a mission number open and an IC appointed to liase with the responsible agency. Even if it's just Podunk Township requesting support, they're supposed to call the NOC so that a number can be opened and the best available insurance coverage can be secured.

[davidsinn]

We have not been officially activated but my unit has been down in Memphis filling/stacking sandbags to brace the seawall around the Memphis Pyramid. The Mississippi is forecasted to crest at 48 feet. Thats about 15-20 feet above flood stage. 

You couldn't get an unfunded corporate number to do it? My wing was doing just that in Evansville last week. Doing rogue ops like you are is not a smart thing to do. Posting it on the internet is even dumber.

Yeah cause just plain old "volunteering" outside of CAP is completly black ops...?

If you do it as a unit...Yeah. If someone gets hurt on a non sanctioned mission there will be hell to pay and several people will become former members.

[Larry Mangum]

We have not been officially activated but my unit has been down in Memphis filling/stacking sandbags to brace the seawall around the Memphis Pyramid. The Mississippi is forecasted to crest at 48 feet. That's about 15-20 feet above flood stage. 

You couldn't get an unfunded corporate number to do it? My wing was doing just that in Evansville last week. Doing rogue ops like you are is not a smart thing to do. Posting it on the internet is even dumber.

Yeah cause just plain old "volunteering" outside of CAP is completely black ops...?

There is nothing wrong with volunteering outside of CAP as long as you did not wear a CAP uniform, utilize a corporate vehicle, or identify yourself as representing CAP while doing so. 

Now, there are several ways, that legally the unit could have responded as CAP:
1. Through an approved  Local MOU, that allowed the unit to provide support to local authorities.
2. Through a n approved State MOU that allows the wing to provide support to local and state authorities.
3. Through a Corporate Mission Number.
4. Thorough an AFAM Mission.

I know it can be frustrating when you are part of a local unit and stuff hits the fan. But one must remember that we like all federal and government resources (even local), participate under the rules and guidelines of NIMS.  As such we stand up and provide only requested resources, period. We do not self-deploy, not run our own operations outside of the ICS structure that is in play.  If we do so, we risk being labeled as a non team player and as a resource not to be utilized.  CAP, has done that too many times in the past, and that alone is one of the primary reasons, many of the states are reluctant to use us.

Anyway that is my 2 cents worth.

[Eclipse]

#1 & #2 still require at least wing approval.  ES = ES, MOU or not you need a mission #.

[Larry Mangum]

Absolutely you do, but a MOU outlines the steps required to get that mission number and who is paying for what as well as what you are allowed to do.

[RiverAux]

No real need for 1 and 2 anymore.  Every mission request is going through the NOC anyway and they're just fine with doing all sorts of missions without an MOU. 

[Larry Mangum]

No real need for 1 and 2 anymore.  Every mission request is going through the NOC anyway and they're just fine with doing all sorts of missions without an MOU.

That is only partially true. MOU's are still necessary in many cases.