1stSgt - Insignia on BDU Cover???

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A1Steaksauce

June 30, 2006, 09:48:33 PM
Is it true that the 1stSgt is permitted to wear his insignia on his BDU cover?

shorning

#1
June 30, 2006, 09:53:05 PM
What does CAPM 39-1 say?

A1Steaksauce

#2
June 30, 2006, 09:57:59 PM
i dont have an up to date 39-1.

A1Steaksauce

#3
June 30, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
And i dont have time to order one before encampment.

Chris Jacobs

#4
June 30, 2006, 10:03:47 PM
I have never heard of this before.  Go to the national web page and look at the 39-1 on line.
C/1st Lt Chris Jacobs
Columbia Comp. Squadron

BillB

#5
June 30, 2006, 10:13:39 PM
Quick reply...the answer is No. 39-1 says only cadet officers wear rank on BDU covers. Obviously a 1st Sgt is not an officer.
Gil Robb Wilson # 19
Gil Robb Wilson # 104

MIKE

#6
June 30, 2006, 10:24:49 PM Last Edit: July 01, 2006, 02:07:54 AM by MIKE
CAPM 39-1 CIVIL AIR PATROL UNIFORM MANUAL -  23 MARCH 2005

Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Figure 2-26. NOTES:3. BDU Cap: Either the USAF or Army style BDU cap or camouflage BDU baseball cap may be worn
with the BDU uniform. Senior members, cadet NCOs, and airmen do not wear any type of insignia
on the cap. Cadet officers wear the embroidered grade insignia centered 1/2 inch above the visor on
the BDU cap. Cap will not be worn crushed or rolled. Marine style BDU cap is not authorized
Mike Johnston

shorning

#7
June 30, 2006, 11:16:50 PM
Quote from: A1Steaksauce on June 30, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
And i dont have time to order one before encampment.

You don't have to order one.  It's available on NHQ's website.

But like others have said, it's not authorized.

SarDragon

#8
July 01, 2006, 02:38:39 AM
Quote from: A1Steaksauce on June 30, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
And i dont have time to order one before encampment.
FYI, you can't order one. They are only available online!
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

MIKE

#9
July 01, 2006, 04:11:35 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 01, 2006, 02:38:39 AM
Quote from: A1Steaksauce on June 30, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
And i dont have time to order one before encampment.
FYI, you can't order one. They are only available online!

I think The Hock has some actually.

Edit:  Take that back, not anymore... Still have some other pubs available though.
Mike Johnston

Eclipse

#10
July 01, 2006, 08:09:49 AM
Quote from: A1Steaksauce on June 30, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
And i dont have time to order one before encampment.

Since no one else picked this off the table...

How does one become a C/Chief witout knowing where to find the current copy of 39-1?

Hmmm?

"That Others May Zoom"

Matt

#11
July 03, 2006, 12:38:54 PM
... How does one actually earn, and have reason to earn a promotion in JROTC... the world may never know...
<a href=mailto:mkopp@ncr.cap.gov> Matthew Kopp</a>, Maj, CAP
Director of Information Technology
<a href=https://www.ncrcap.us.org> North Central Region</a>

SarDragon

#12
July 04, 2006, 06:03:09 AM
Quote from: Matt on July 03, 2006, 12:38:54 PM
... How does one actually earn, and have reason to earn a promotion in JROTC... the world may never know...

And exactly what does JROTC have to do with this thread?
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Matt

#13
July 04, 2006, 02:21:18 PM
1.) Daily JROTC Dig
2.) Theory of getting grade without knowing the background knowledge that one should possess at that grade
3.) Giving the analogy that the world may never know...
<a href=mailto:mkopp@ncr.cap.gov> Matthew Kopp</a>, Maj, CAP
Director of Information Technology
<a href=https://www.ncrcap.us.org> North Central Region</a>

KyCAP

#14
July 05, 2006, 04:57:05 AM Last Edit: July 05, 2006, 05:35:20 AM by kycap
I think Senior Members can now wear metal insignia on the BLUE BDU CAP.  Don't own any... don't have plans to at moment..  Just informational...

In last uniform policy change letter...


edited - insert CAP
Maj. Russ Hensley, CAP
IC-2 plus all the rest. :)
Kentucky Wing

SarDragon

#15
July 05, 2006, 05:28:05 AM
Quote from: kycap on July 05, 2006, 04:57:05 AM
I think Senior Members can now wear metal insignia on the BLUE BDU.  Don't own any... don't have plans to at moment..  Just informational...

In last uniform policy change letter...

Just to clarify:

Quote from: MEMORANDUM FOR ALL UNIT COMMANDERS, 29 June 20062. ... Secondly, senior members wearing the blue field uniform may now wear embroidered or metal grade insignia on the blue BDU cap.

Emphasis mine.
Dave Bowles
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AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Chris Jacobs

#16
July 05, 2006, 06:10:03 AM
What is the blue BDU cap.  Is it a baseball style cap or patrol cap style, just blue.
C/1st Lt Chris Jacobs
Columbia Comp. Squadron

SarDragon

#17
July 05, 2006, 06:51:20 AM
Quote from: Chris Jacobs on July 05, 2006, 06:10:03 AM
What is the blue BDU cap.  Is it a baseball style cap or patrol cap style, just blue.

Patrol cap style, just blue.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

pixelwonk

#18
July 06, 2006, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 05, 2006, 06:51:20 AM
Quote from: Chris Jacobs on July 05, 2006, 06:10:03 AM
What is the blue BDU cap.  Is it a baseball style cap or patrol cap style, just blue.

Patrol cap style, just blue.

I don't have "just blue" in my Crayola box.  :)

Must be the color of the BBDUs that results after a couple of washings.

SarDragon

#19
July 07, 2006, 03:23:21 AM
I may be Major Malfunction, but you are most assuredly Major Weisenheimer!
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C/WO, CAP, Ret

A1Steaksauce

#20
July 10, 2006, 12:07:32 AM
QuoteHow does one become a C/Chief witout knowing where to find the current copy of 39-1?

I take this as an insult to my intelligence thank you very much and anyone who knows me knows that I don't like to be insulted............... Please keep your replies relevent to the question at hand.

Thank you

shorning

#21
July 10, 2006, 01:07:25 AM
Quote from: A1Steaksauce on July 10, 2006, 12:07:32 AM
QuoteHow does one become a C/Chief witout knowing where to find the current copy of 39-1?

I take this as an insult to my intelligence thank you very much and anyone who knows me knows that I don't like to be insulted............... Please keep your replies relevent to the question at hand.

Thank you

Does that mean you're not going to answer the question?

capchiro

#22
July 10, 2006, 01:17:55 PM
Unfortunately, I consider this to be a valid question:


How does one become a C/Chief without knowing where to find the current copy of 39-1?

Whether it insults your intelligence or not, you are in a position of authority over other cadets, you are in a leadership position, and a fairly high position at that.  I would think other cadets would come to you with questions like this and would expect you to know the answers or where to find them.  The CAP cadet program is designed to be operated by cadets for cadets with senior supervision and assistance.  As such, cadet leaders are expected to be knowledgeable regarding certain parts of the program.  I believe, if I recall correctly, to earn the Curry achievement, one must demonstrate the proper wear of the CAP uniform.  As such, one would expect one to have some knowledge of CAPM 39-1.  Such is available in printed form, on the CD's the cadets receive from National, and on-line at National's website.  You obviously have access to the internet or you wouldn't be posting here.  Now, don't go getting defensive if others question an inquiry of yours that appeared to be from an inexperienced cadet, use this to learn and apply yourself to the program.  I am sure that you can be an outstanding cadet, however, this program requires time and effort on your part.  Although everyone on this site are willing to help you out and will do so, don't take offense if some will question a "dumb" question from you.  Just use it as a learning experience and move on.  Another thing, your language could be considered to be inflammatory when you use statements like "and anyone who knows me knows that I don't like to be insulted.."  At the level that you are in the program, you should be able to handle criticism without getting bent out of shape.  You did receive the information you requested.  Be thankful and don't be so sensitive when someone points out a shortcoming in your training.  Also, try to remember how this criticism upset you when you begin to criticize those under you.  Buckle down and act like you deserve those stripes you are wearing.   Carry on, Cadet.  That is all.
Lt. Col. Harry E. Siegrist III, CAP
Commander
Sweetwater Comp. Sqdn.
GA154

Nathan

#23
July 11, 2006, 02:07:01 PM
Dude... I was citing CAPM 39-1 and CAPR 52-16 by the time I was a C/SrA. Those are probably the most essential publications for cadets to at least be familiar with.

Then again, I'm kind of a nerd... :)
Nathan Scalia

The post beneath this one is a lie.

Becks

#24
July 11, 2006, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 11, 2006, 02:07:01 PM
Then again, I'm kind of a nerd... :)

Dont worry, on this board youre in good company  8)

BBATW

Hammer

#25
July 11, 2006, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 11, 2006, 02:07:01 PM
Dude... I was citing CAPM 39-1 and CAPR 52-16 by the time I was a C/SrA. Those are probably the most essential publications for cadets to at least be familiar with.

Then again, I'm kind of a nerd... :)

Same here.  It kind of PO'd my Sq/CC that I knew more about both 39-1 and 52-16 then he did/does.  Oh, well.
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