So, my squadron has been wanting to start up a Color Guard for a while, I've kinda got one going, but I'm wanting to change it to a Honor Guard that is mainly focused on the Colors Element. I want to change it partly because the name "Honor Guard" itself is pretty appealing, and I'm hoping that it will help reel in a few more cadets onto the team.
Anyways, my question is, what are the recommended steps to take to create one, and what is some of the equipment I need to be successful? I've already read through CAPP 52-8 (CAP Unit Honor Guard Program), CAPM 39-1 (for the Honor Guard Uniform),APR 60-1 (Cadet Program Management), AFMAN 36-2203 (as CAPP 52-8 instructs), and the USAF Honor Guard Manual (as CAPP 52-8 instructs). At this point I'm just looking for good equipment and some advice.
Quote from: I_Am_Twigs on November 23, 2018, 06:44:19 PMI want to change it partly because the name "Honor Guard" itself is pretty appealing,
This is not likely to be a justification that your Wing CC will accept, and his approval is the
first step in
creating an Honor Guard.
My Wing CC would be all over this, he loves to compete with the other wings in my Region, so I'm sure he'll approve. We have yet to find out though! Right now I'm just getting a game plan together, that way we can look good from the start.
Honor Guard is not a competition.
Your best bet is to attend an HGA and worry about a local group afterwards.
You also need a senior member, preferably two, designated as the OIC.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 23, 2018, 06:56:06 PM
Honor Guard is not a competition.
Your best bet is to attend an HGA and worry about a local group afterwards.
You also need a senior member, preferably two, designated as the OIC.
Apologies, I'll rephrase that, he likes the cadets to make a wing look good, and a second Honor Guard in the wing would add to the level of "goodness".
Well, since that ended quickly I guess I can move onto the equipment I'd need.
I just need something that'll work, meets the requirements of CAPM 39-1 9.6, preferably not from Vanguard, and inexpensive. Any recommendations?
http://www.paradestore.com/
Quote from: Eclipse on November 24, 2018, 01:39:43 AM
http://www.paradestore.com/
Bring money, lot's of it...
Quote from: Eclipse on November 24, 2018, 01:39:43 AM
http://www.paradestore.com/
Quote from: PHall on November 24, 2018, 01:42:28 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 24, 2018, 01:39:43 AM
http://www.paradestore.com/
Bring money, lot's of it...
Yup, I've looked at these guys, good equipment, but I'm looking for something a bit less expensive.
Quality and inexpensive are pretty much mutually exclusive. If you want gear that looks good and performs well over a long period of time, it's gonna cost you.
Another consideration is to instill in your group members that they are working with expensive stuff, and it needs to be treated accordingly. I have seen too much mistreatment of, and "playing around" with, honor/color guard equipment that has caused damage and destruction.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 24, 2018, 04:22:46 AM
Quality and inexpensive are pretty much mutually exclusive. If you want gear that looks good and performs well over a long period of time, it's gonna cost you.
I realize that, I'm just trying to find a good price for good stuff, I'll probably end up sticking with the Parade store in the end.
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Another consideration is to instill in your group members that they are working with expensive stuff, and it needs to be treated accordingly. I have seen too much mistreatment of, and "playing around" with, honor/color guard equipment that has caused damage and destruction.
Yea, we try practice with different equipment that we wont be using in the performance, even when we do that I still have them treat the equipment carefully.
Thank you!
Thinking back, about five years ago, my unit purchased all new color guard equipment.
American and state flags with proper poles and spade tops
two parade rifles
four flag carriers (two white, two black)
four pistol belts (again two each white and black)
gloves in various sizes also in black and white.
We purchased through Glendale's, aka paradestore.com, and we got out for less than $800.
The purpose of the black gear? It is identical to the white gear, and is used for practicing without trashing the white performance gear. And it would give us an option of doing a parade or event in BDUs/ABUs. We also have several practice parade rifles, including what I call the "Three stooges," where one of our more crafty senior members took pieces of 1"x6" planks, traced the out his M-1 Garand on them, then cut/sanded/shaped them.
Those practice rifles are important - I bought rifles for encampment probably 13ish years ago
and was struck the other day how they look like brand new.
Protip: There is not a cadet alive who will not try to spin a rifle if left to their own
devices, nor a senior-member, poster included, which is why either junk toys or
1x6's should be used for everything but game-day.
I like the idea of the black gear - getting white gloves cleaned, without being ruined, can
be a challenge.
OxiClean is the bomb on gloves. It gets rid of most stains, and doesn't degrade the cloth like chlorine bleach does.
As for the gloves themselves, unless you are going to be in a cold environment, wet them before you "go on". For either cotton or poly/cotton gloves, it improves your grip, and helps minimize "drop" situations.
Quote from: SarDragon on November 25, 2018, 03:50:18 AM
OxiClean is the bomb on gloves. It gets rid of most stains, and doesn't degrade the cloth like chlorine bleach does.
As for the gloves themselves, unless you are going to be in a cold environment, wet them before you "go on". For either cotton or poly/cotton gloves, it improves your grip, and helps minimize "drop" situations.
I was looking at getting the slip-on "chicken skin" or "gripper" gloves from the parade store.
Also, am I reading these right?
Quote9.6.1.2. Composition. The honor guard uniform consists of the service dress uniform coat
with epaulets and slacks/trousers, male service cap with Cadet Officer cap device, white ascot with Honor
Guard patch, metallic silver shoulder cord, white pistol belt, white gloves, and a brown non-operating
parade rifle with white leather sling. Helmets or helmet liners will not be used. Either the old or new style
of service dress may be worn; however, all members of an honor guard should be in the same style, if
possible. This uniform is authorized for year-round wear. The colors element flag bearers will wear white
flag slings instead of white pistol belts. The guards will wear pistol belts. See Table 3-1
Quote9.6.4.10. Parade Rifle. Brown molded polystyrene, non-operating, with white leather sling.
BAYONETS WILL NOT BE USED.
If I am reading them right then the Flag carriers should be white leather, like these:
(http://www.paradestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/9/896WH_1.jpg)
And the rifle slings should be white leather as well, like these:
(http://www.paradestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/201_1.jpg)
Quote from: I_Am_Twigs on November 25, 2018, 04:59:18 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on November 25, 2018, 03:50:18 AM
OxiClean is the bomb on gloves. It gets rid of most stains, and doesn't degrade the cloth like chlorine bleach does.
As for the gloves themselves, unless you are going to be in a cold environment, wet them before you "go on". For either cotton or poly/cotton gloves, it improves your grip, and helps minimize "drop" situations.
I was looking at getting the slip-on "chicken skin" or "gripper" gloves from the parade store.
Also, am I reading these right?
Quote9.6.1.2. Composition. The honor guard uniform consists of the service dress uniform coat
with epaulets and slacks/trousers, male service cap with Cadet Officer cap device, white ascot with Honor
Guard patch, metallic silver shoulder cord, white pistol belt, white gloves, and a brown non-operating
parade rifle with white leather sling. Helmets or helmet liners will not be used. Either the old or new style
of service dress may be worn; however, all members of an honor guard should be in the same style, if
possible. This uniform is authorized for year-round wear. The colors element flag bearers will wear white
flag slings instead of white pistol belts. The guards will wear pistol belts. See Table 3-1
Quote9.6.4.10. Parade Rifle. Brown molded polystyrene, non-operating, with white leather sling.
BAYONETS WILL NOT BE USED.
If I am reading them right then the Flag carriers should be white leather, like these:
(http://www.paradestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/9/896WH_1.jpg)
And the rifle slings should be white leather as well, like these:
(http://www.paradestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/201_1.jpg)
I think we're getting off onto a bit of a semantic tangent here with regard to nomenclature.
In the broad sense of your squadron carrying the colors in a local parade, color guard doesn't equal honor guard. And there is quite a bit of difference in what's required of a color guard when it comes to uniforms and equipment.
A color guard can be done in the standard service uniform, without the ascot, wheel cap and service jacket. If this is the path you're taking, don't spend oodles of money buying $200 Drill America M-1 replicas when the $50 imitation rifles will work just fine for your purposes. And, your squadron commander will expel a lot less stomach acid when one gets dropped, cracked or otherwise broken the first time some knucklehead tries to spin it.
Quote from: Slim on November 26, 2018, 05:47:44 AM
I think we're getting off onto a bit of a semantic tangent here with regard to nomenclature.
In the broad sense of your squadron carrying the colors in a local parade, color guard doesn't equal honor guard. And there is quite a bit of difference in what's required of a color guard when it comes to uniforms and equipment.
A color guard can be done in the standard service uniform, without the ascot, wheel cap and service jacket. If this is the path you're taking, don't spend oodles of money buying $200 Drill America M-1 replicas when the $50 imitation rifles will work just fine for your purposes. And, your squadron commander will expel a lot less stomach acid when one gets dropped, cracked or otherwise broken the first time some knucklehead tries to spin it.
I'm planning to start an honor guard, not a color guard. I want to get the full, proper honor guard uniform.
The events that I plan on doing, and have the ability to set up are fairly big and it will give our squadron some more exposure to the public to help with recruiting.
Quote from: I_Am_Twigs on November 26, 2018, 06:14:11 AM
Quote from: Slim on November 26, 2018, 05:47:44 AM
I think we're getting off onto a bit of a semantic tangent here with regard to nomenclature.
In the broad sense of your squadron carrying the colors in a local parade, color guard doesn't equal honor guard. And there is quite a bit of difference in what's required of a color guard when it comes to uniforms and equipment.
A color guard can be done in the standard service uniform, without the ascot, wheel cap and service jacket. If this is the path you're taking, don't spend oodles of money buying $200 Drill America M-1 replicas when the $50 imitation rifles will work just fine for your purposes. And, your squadron commander will expel a lot less stomach acid when one gets dropped, cracked or otherwise broken the first time some knucklehead tries to spin it.
I'm planning to start an honor guard, not a color guard. I want to get the full, proper honor guard uniform.
The events that I plan on doing, and have the ability to set up are fairly big and it will give our squadron some more exposure to the public to help with recruiting.
An observation, if I may, along with three questions:
Your phrasing over several posts suggests that this is your personal effort for your personal objective. I'm assuming that you are a Cadet, so let me ask this - does your Squadron Commander know about your ideas, plans and objectives? If not, why not? But, if so, then why aren't you consulting him/her for ideas on how to fund what really is a Squadron project and not an "I'm planning..." and "I want..." project?
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Quote from: Slim on November 25, 2018, 01:24:18 AM
... We also have several practice parade rifles, including what I call the "Three stooges," where one of our more crafty senior members took pieces of 1"x6" planks, traced the out his M-1 Garand on them, then cut/sanded/shaped them.
I had a squadron that did this as well, the option there was he just cut them, then provided direction on how to sand/shape/paint them. It was sort of a team building, personal pride sort of exercise.
MK
Quote from: I_Am_Twigs on November 26, 2018, 06:14:11 AM
Quote from: Slim on November 26, 2018, 05:47:44 AM
I think we're getting off onto a bit of a semantic tangent here with regard to nomenclature.
In the broad sense of your squadron carrying the colors in a local parade, color guard doesn't equal honor guard. And there is quite a bit of difference in what's required of a color guard when it comes to uniforms and equipment.
A color guard can be done in the standard service uniform, without the ascot, wheel cap and service jacket. If this is the path you're taking, don't spend oodles of money buying $200 Drill America M-1 replicas when the $50 imitation rifles will work just fine for your purposes. And, your squadron commander will expel a lot less stomach acid when one gets dropped, cracked or otherwise broken the first time some knucklehead tries to spin it.
I'm planning to start an honor guard, not a color guard. I want to get the full, proper honor guard uniform.
The events that I plan on doing, and have the ability to set up are fairly big and it will give our squadron some more exposure to the public to help with recruiting.
Does you squadron currently have a color guard? If not, get one first. Honor Guard is based on color guard.
Quote from: sarmed1 on November 27, 2018, 04:49:08 PM
Quote from: Slim on November 25, 2018, 01:24:18 AM
... We also have several practice parade rifles, including what I call the "Three stooges," where one of our more crafty senior members took pieces of 1"x6" planks, traced the out his M-1 Garand on them, then cut/sanded/shaped them.
I had a squadron that did this as well, the option there was he just cut them, then provided direction on how to sand/shape/paint them. It was sort of a team building, personal pride sort of exercise.
MK
This is actually something recommended in the Unit Honor Guard Program Pamphlet.
Quote4.5.4. Here is the second key to success. Hand each person sandpaper and have them go outside and
start sanding the rough edges of their practice "rifles." As they are sanding, you may find
communications really starting in team building.
Quote from: arajca on November 27, 2018, 07:00:02 PM
Quote from: I_Am_Twigs on November 26, 2018, 06:14:11 AM
Quote from: Slim on November 26, 2018, 05:47:44 AM
I think we're getting off onto a bit of a semantic tangent here with regard to nomenclature.
In the broad sense of your squadron carrying the colors in a local parade, color guard doesn't equal honor guard. And there is quite a bit of difference in what's required of a color guard when it comes to uniforms and equipment.
A color guard can be done in the standard service uniform, without the ascot, wheel cap and service jacket. If this is the path you're taking, don't spend oodles of money buying $200 Drill America M-1 replicas when the $50 imitation rifles will work just fine for your purposes. And, your squadron commander will expel a lot less stomach acid when one gets dropped, cracked or otherwise broken the first time some knucklehead tries to spin it.
I'm planning to start an honor guard, not a color guard. I want to get the full, proper honor guard uniform.
The events that I plan on doing, and have the ability to set up are fairly big and it will give our squadron some more exposure to the public to help with recruiting.
Does you squadron currently have a color guard? If not, get one first. Honor Guard is based on color guard.
Yes we do have a color guard, in fact I'm the current commander for it, it's kind of on and off right now. I'm wanting to train them so that they can become a honor guard, but I need to know the best way to go about that and what equipment is required.
There was a suggestion recently brought up to me, I should wait until the color guard is consistent in practices and events before we start an honor guard (I don't know why I hadn't thought of it before, feel kinda dumb now for not thinking of it).
Quote from: I_Am_Twigs on November 28, 2018, 01:24:53 AM
I should wait until the color guard is consistent in practices and events before we start an honor guard
This.
Also, you don't need >any< equipment to start a color guard or an honor guard, just interested and committed
cadets and seniors.
I have seen far too many of these begin with a big check and end with a Rubbermaid container of gear no one
ever touches, because no one was interested in the commitment required.
Man cadets forget that this sort of thing is
extracurricular to the actual program, and can't be allowed to get in the
way of it, or cadets' progression.
Every time I read the title of this thread, it's to the tune of "Startin' Up a Posse" by Anthrax....