Red Dawn (the movie)

[alamrcn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_Me,_Boys!
Seen it once several years ago, and that song is STILL stuck in my head!

So if Red Dawn had used Civil Air Patrol in the plot, what squadron do you think would have been associated? I think they are in Colorado, but they never really give an exact location away.

Do you think it would have been as good with Civil Air Patrol cadets? I think maybe if one or two had been members, but not all of them. That would have smelled of "Lord of the Flies" - another movie that could have used CAP.

[PaulR]

That was my all time favorite movie when it came out.  I was 14 at the time.  I remember fearing the possibility of a Russian invasion!

[es_g0d]

That movie is about the 8th grade level ... in the bad old days when nuclear destruction loomed over our heads and mother SAC waited to execute Wing Attack Plan 'R.'

It sure brings to perspective the current threat.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

[Pumbaa]

Fear the Russians?

Then you have to watch the movie "The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming"  it's from the 60's...  It wil strike fear in your heart....

[es_g0d]

Something tells me its nearly as good as "Duck and Cover!" 

The Russians are not to be as feared as the Soviets ... the post cold war world is a safer place than it was not long ago.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

[cap235629]

Fear the Russians?

Then you have to watch the movie "The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming"  it's from the 60's...  It wil strike fear in your heart....

one of my all time favorites,   "Whitaker Walt"  LMAO

[Stonewall]

Red Dawn preview

[Timbo]

... the post cold war world is a safer place than it was not long ago.

Huh?  The world was safer when there were two super powers, each controlling what are now very rogue countries.  Afghanistan comes to mind.  The Bosnian fiasco, and China was in check. 

Face it, the world has since destabilized more after the USSR collapsed.  Russia today is a much more dangerous place than Soviet Russia ever was. 

 

[es_g0d]

Its destabilized, to be sure.  Instead of one goliath of an enemy, we have hundreds of roaches to stomp.

BUT the world isn't in as much of a threat of total thermonuclear annihilation.  I call that a win, and a better world.  Not a perfect world by any means, but better.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

[Timbo]

Its destabilized, to be sure.  Instead of one goliath of an enemy, we have hundreds of roaches to stomp.

BUT the world isn't in as much of a threat of total thermonuclear annihilation.  I call that a win, and a better world.  Not a perfect world by any means, but better.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

OK.  I will give you that.  Except that many Soviet Nukes are for sure unaccounted for.  As are their scientists, and weapons specialist.  The US tried to gather them all up, but others are most likely working for China, Iran, N. Korea etc.  We had one big bad guy, now we have multiple small bad guys. 

PLUS  in school pre 1991 all we had to memorize was "USSR" or "CCCP", then we had to memorize all those little countries after the collapse. 

[alamrcn]

Regarding a remake...

The Russian/Cuban/Argentinian aliance in the first movie was more about taking over and assimilating our goverment and society into their own. Kind of like the Romans would have - join us or die.

The current enemy, which in today's society I face ridicule from our OWN people to even try and name, is more interested in just wiping us out entirely. More like the Mongols - just die.

I'm for the Canadian invasion idea! At the most, we'd all be drinking Molson instead of Budweiser, and have to add "ay" to our vocab. The increase of Hockey's popularity might just be enough to kill me though. Those are fighting words coming from a Minnesota boy!

[sarmed1]

It could always just be a retro film, always quite popular.

".....in the 1990's a few decisive turn of events lead to the demise of the soviet union and its allies and left the United States as the sole surviving superpower; things could have turned out drastically differant....." que some alternative history changing scenes, ie differant presidents, a depression in the 80's no end to the gas crisis of the late 70's, soviet success in afganistan....then fade back to the school parking lot as opened in the original movie.  Basically same story line and plots just new actors, better effects.

mk

[wuzafuzz]

Regarding a remake...

The Russian/Cuban/Argentinian aliance in the first movie was more about taking over and assimilating our goverment and society into their own. Kind of like the Romans would have - join us or die.

The current enemy, which in today's society I face ridicule from our OWN people to even try and name, is more interested in just wiping us out entirely. More like the Mongols - just die.

I'm for the Canadian invasion idea! At the most, we'd all be drinking Molson instead of Budweiser, and have to add "ay" to our vocab. The increase of Hockey's popularity might just be enough to kill me though. Those are fighting words coming from a Minnesota boy!

BUT...if I recall correctly, Molson and Coors are already the same company?  "Business is war."  ;-)

[Stonewall]

I'd like to direct everyone over to CadetStuff where a fun discussion is going on about 80s movies.  Of course, Red Dawn is mentioned.

Great stuff.  Will bring back some memories for a lot of you old farts. (like me)

[Timbo]

I'd like to direct everyone over to CadetStuff where a fun discussion is going on about 80s movies.  Of course, Red Dawn is mentioned.

Great stuff.  Will bring back some memories for a lot of you old farts. (like me)

Almost every one of those movies is in my list of all time favorites, except for DEFCON 4, The Breakfast Club, and Tremors. 

[Earhart1971]

A rumor I heard was that originally instead of random high school kids they were supposed to be CAP cadets.  Does anyone know more about this?

They were, but NHQ shot it down.  The accepted reason is that it wouldn't show favorably on our cadet program.  Even though they wouldn't be doing it on "CAP's time."

I think that it would have been cool to see, too.  To be perfectly honest, I see their point in it; even now many people who do not know about the program think that this  is a way to force people into the military and such nonsense.

I also heard that Iron Eagle was to have CAP Cadets instead of the Eagles as well.  Same denial for that one as wel.

I cannot believe National would shoot down VISIBILITY, if National was to have some control, then I am sure something could be worked out.

So, we stay invisible for the good of CAP! LOL

I  mentioned a RED DAWN sequel to some old CAP friends (without knowing that is was being considered), I would write a Florida Wing Scenario, Venezuela, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Muslim terrorists, yada yade, would not take much imagination.

[JohnKachenmeister]

A rumor I heard was that originally instead of random high school kids they were supposed to be CAP cadets.  Does anyone know more about this?

They were, but NHQ shot it down.  The accepted reason is that it wouldn't show favorably on our cadet program.  Even though they wouldn't be doing it on "CAP's time."

I think that it would have been cool to see, too.  To be perfectly honest, I see their point in it; even now many people who do not know about the program think that this  is a way to force people into the military and such nonsense.

I also heard that Iron Eagle was to have CAP Cadets instead of the Eagles as well.  Same denial for that one as wel.

I cannot believe National would shoot down VISIBILITY, if National was to have some control, then I am sure something could be worked out.

So, we stay invisible for the good of CAP! LOL

I  mentioned a RED DAWN sequel to some old CAP friends (without knowing that is was being considered), I would write a Florida Wing Scenario, Venezuela, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Muslim terrorists, yada yade, would not take much imagination.

With respect to Red Dawn, CAP NHQ never got the chance to shoot it down.  I talked once with the guy (Then an Army LTC) who did the screening for DoD support for movies.  Red Dawn was turned down for support at the Pentagon, because the producers refused to take out the scene of the Russian prisoner being executed.  (Even though the execution was carried out by non-DoD personnel).

NHQ did refuse to allow CAP to be identified in Iron Eagle, though.  The producers had to change the teenagers organization to some kind of generic AF-dependent kid club.

[Earhart1971]

What a surprise DOD shooting down visibility for Civil Air Patrol, imagine that!

Ok, so I will go ahead with my own movie, LOL!  I am not going to ask for permission from anybody.

[Timbo]

What a surprise DOD shooting down visibility for Civil Air Patrol, imagine that!

Ok, so I will go ahead with my own movie, LOL!  I am not going to ask for permission from anybody.

See you at the lawsuit!!   

[Johnny Yuma]

Something tells me its nearly as good as "Duck and Cover!" 

The Russians are not to be as feared as the Soviets ... the post cold war world is a safer place than it was not long ago.

Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net

You're joking, right???

Let's ask the Ukraine how nice the "New Russia" is?

If they won't talk, I'm certain the Iranians will tell us how nice the Russians have been to them.