NCC 2012

cadetyani85 · September 29, 2011, 01:46:09 AM

As all who compete at NCC knows, we are beginning regular trainings. Recently within my wing, an all wing e-mail was sent out regarding a new date for our wing comp. In addition to that it mentioned that National Competition will be using Learn to Lead and the 2nd Edition AE Modules as a basis for competing. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this so my DT can actually study the correct materials? Also are there any other updates about NCC 2012 we should know about?

Might I say that Phase IV cadets who are looking to take their Spaatz exam in the spring and will be competing at NCC, as I am, may find it awkward to have to study the old materials for the Spaatz exam and the new materials for NCC.

Briski · September 29, 2011, 02:15:42 AM

Quote from: cadetyani85 on September 29, 2011, 01:46:09 AM
Might I say that Phase IV cadets who are looking to take their Spaatz exam in the spring and will be competing at NCC, as I am, may find it awkward to have to study the old materials for the Spaatz exam and the new materials for NCC.

Perhaps. But not nearly as awkward as it would be for the Phase I&II cadets to study the old materials that were being phased out before they even joined, and for which they will never take an exam.

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 07:58:36 PM

We could really use an actual answer to this question. Has it been determined? CAWG competition is in January so I doubt we're the only team starting practices. I'd think if it isn't announced very soon then it will remain the old material.

Eclipse · October 23, 2011, 08:52:46 PM

And how many cadets testing for Spaatz, who are also involved in NCC, do you thing there will be?
My wing has had only one cadet take a shot at the third diamond in the last year, and he is not involved in the NCC.

I would say less than 5, probably more like zero.

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 08:57:34 PM

Six.

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 08:58:10 PM

From our team.

Eclipse · October 23, 2011, 09:01:18 PM

You have 6 Phase IV cadets who will be testing for Spaatz during NCC?

How many triple diamonds does your wing crank a year?

Extremepredjudice · October 23, 2011, 09:04:50 PM

6 almost Spaatz?

You guys must have a lot of officers...

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 09:24:12 PM

Within two months before or four months after, yes. To be fair, only four are committed to NCC 100% at this time, but the other two are trying to arrange to be able to. One is going off to West Point so he may be delayed. The past history of CAWG is irrelevant. There were only two or three cadet officers in the group two years ago and our drill team last year only had three NCOs. We may be cool, but we didn't get every officer in the group. We've influenced more to grow and promote.

I'm at practice right now and asking them the C/2Lts are insisting that they can be C/Capts by NCC, so the next bunch is right behind them. They push each other the same as we pushed each other on my NCC team. We had 6 Spaatz cadets on our team and one more who couldn't go with us.

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 09:31:07 PM

They currently have three former Spaatz cadets as mentors and we just recruited another who is an Academy grad to our unit. The cadets on the team are from four squadrons in the group, and provide a lot of leadership in those units. This is one of our best way of influencing and gently pushing all of them.

We're very proud of all of them. I believe that every cadet who joins should have it as their attainable goal to complete the program. I believe that 80% of what I got out of CAP came after C/Col and that the mentality of "giving back" isn't nearly as productive as a mentality of providing executive Phase IV direction, training and mentoring. That is "giving back" in a way but also provides an incomparable level of leadership experience that most people can not experience until late in their professional careers.

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 09:48:05 PM

If I call national tomorrow, does anyone know if they'd have the answer to the original question?

a2capt · October 23, 2011, 09:53:12 PM

I asked during our visit to NHQ during NSC last week ... and got no definitive answer.

Eclipse · October 23, 2011, 09:57:30 PM

Kudos to CAWG for the numbers, but a lot can happen between now and next year, especially to cadets.

It might not be zero, but this is going to affect a number of cadets near that number, and those affected will just have to deal,
it's not like the facts changed, just the pool of questions.

I would say someone like Curt LaFond would be the person to contact on this.

Ron1319 · October 23, 2011, 10:59:08 PM

Quote from: a2capt on October 23, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
I asked during our visit to NHQ during NSC last week ... and got no definitive answer.

Thank you. I'm guessing that means no change for 2012.

Eclipse, the material has changed significantly. We just need to know ASAP if they need to prepare for the new material.

PHall · October 23, 2011, 11:55:13 PM

Quote from: Ron1319 on October 23, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
We could really use an actual answer to this question. Has it been determined? CAWG competition is in January so I doubt we're the only team starting practices. I'd think if it isn't announced very soon then it will remain the old material.

Get ahold of Doug Giles, he's the project officer for the CAWG Comp. His contact info should be on the CAWGCADETS.ORG web page.

Ron1319 · October 24, 2011, 12:04:12 AM

CAWG has said they are using the new material. They tend to use the same questions for color guard and drill team and I would expect the color guards to be transitioning to the new material at NCC. The question is still about NCC and it sounds like they don't know.

a2capt · November 23, 2011, 08:52:18 AM

The NCC page now says they are using Learn to Lead. So that wraps that up. We just had our Group competition here, and I used Learn to Lead for that.

DBlair · November 25, 2011, 01:51:54 AM

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on October 23, 2011, 09:04:50 PM
6 almost Spaatz?

You guys must have a lot of officers...

Nice job having so many almost-Spaatz.

This brings back memories to my old NJWG Drill Team, it was joked that we were the Diamond Dream Team with a few C/Col, several C/Lt Col, and a couple C/Maj with the rest being a mix of enlisted and officer grades. Personally, I have no issue with it being officer-weighted like that. If anything, it is a strategic move as these Cadets probably have years more experience than most others, etc.

Ron1319 · November 27, 2011, 12:02:18 PM

It looks like we'll have two by NCC, one more soon after and two more in the pipeline by the end of the year. I believe we're now at 21 weeks until Eaker for the two of them, and both of them want to submit their Spaatz exam requests ASAP. It's hard to tell seven months out how many of them will be able to commit to being on the team. Note that we're pulling the best cadets from the group.

When I commanded the PCR team in '97, we had 5 of us who had 3 diamonds at the time and 2 more who went on to get them. Unfortunately, one of our best team mates was unable to join us at NCC, or those numbers would have been 6 and 2.

DProsser14 · December 01, 2011, 09:26:39 PM

Does any one know when and where PCR Competition is?