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Operations => Tools of the trade => Topic started by: Eclipse on January 18, 2019, 07:19:47 PM

Title: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 18, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
https://www.capnhq.gov/news/Documents/Unit_Website_Initiative_Launch_Date_announced.pdf

Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Your CAP Leadership Team is happy to announce that, beginning 1 February, NHQ will offer a 3rd party
hosted website Content Management System to each unit, free of charge!
What are the benefits of the new hosted solution?

• Allows units with limited resources the ability to establish unit web sites without absorbing the
costs with local funds. For those who already have established web sites, these benefits will be
available upon migration.

• Just as members are able to view the public facing gocivilairpatrol.com site as well as log onto
eServices, units will have the ability to retain localized sites, processes and protected (login)
pages behind their pubic facing site.

• Proper security protocols will be in place to safeguard content from vulnerabilities and hacks.

• Enhances CAP branding efforts through alignment with gocivilairpatrol.com template.

• Provides continuity of web management; reducing issue with orphan websites which are
especially vulnerable to hacking attempts and are the most likely to not comport with the CAP
branding requirements.

• Ensures that an automatic and secure backup process is in place.

• Provides a responsive web design that will render on computers, tablets and phones.
What type of capabilities will be available in the new CMS?

• The unit website template is being modeled after the gocivilairpatrol format. All capabilities
that are available on gocivilairpatrol will be available on the unit CMS as well. A few of the most
often used capabilities are listed below:
o Events Calendar
o Feedback Module
o Press Release
o Photo Album
o Site Map
o Resources and Links

Is the new hosted solution mandatory?
• Yes, the CAP Leadership Team has mandated that all new websites will be stood up and
established sites migrated to the new system. Due to the level of effort involved in migrating
established sites, there is no expectation that established sites will immediately be moved to the
new CMS on 1 February. Website owners will be asked to begin planning their migration,
however target date for completing migration across all CAP units has not be determined. The
goal is to initially stand up those units that have asked to participate as early adopters with
others to follow as familiarity with the CMS grows. Leadership will determine and communicate
a target date later in the calendar year. To be clear, the target date will be communicated this
year, but there is no expectation that all migration will have been completed in 2019.
Once my unit requests a site, how long do we have to go live on the new CMS?

• There is no imposed deadline for "go live" after you receive access to the CMS. We would
encourage you request early so that you have time to familiarize yourself with the new
capabilities and plan for your migration.
Where will we find the more information on the CMS such as training materials, how to make a
request for a site for my unit?

• Training materials and information regarding how to request access to the CMS will be posted to
the IT page in eServices no later than 25 January.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 18, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
Is it Wordpress, or has Hdqs picked some obscure system.

Most importantly ... can we keep our domain?  Its crazy if we have to go back to the old sub-domain system. Some of us have spent lots of time getting good Google listings.

Some of us have already spend months creating our own websites that have most of the features already touted here.

If its Wordpress, we will have the ability to add Plugins for special features? We are using several. Or will we be hamstrung to all be the same vanilla website?

Our website is "strictly" for marketing and publicity use ... so the whole OPSEC thing is irrevelent.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: chuckmilam on January 18, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 18, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
Is it Wordpress, or has Hdqs picked some obscure system.

From what I understand, it's something called "SiteViz CMS" by Global Reach Internet Productions, LLC in Iowa. 

Never heard of it?  Don't feel bad, neither had I--and I've been around the Internet for a good long time.

Go ahead, Google it.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 18, 2019, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 18, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
Enhances CAP branding efforts through alignment with gocivilairpatrol.com template.

• Provides continuity of web management; reducing issue with orphan websites which are
especially vulnerable to hacking attempts and are the most likely to not comport with the CAP
branding requirements.


When you see it...

(https://i.postimg.cc/RF42CCdm/siteviz.jpg)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: JeffDG on January 18, 2019, 09:07:48 PM
Just what we need...another user database to maintain if we want to put any "secure" content on it.

NHQ won't let us to SAML to eServices, so we have to build our own.  Hopefully we can do Google authentication here so we can leverage the system we've built for members to log into our wing site.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 18, 2019, 09:19:12 PM
https://www.globalreach.com/about/news-and-press-releases/global-reach-gives-the-civil-air-patrol-new-wings/
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: A.Member on January 18, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
Gripe all you want.  This is long overdue and welcome in my eyes.  I could probably count on one hand, with fingers to spare, the number of actual quality unit sites I've seen over the years.  Most are pure crap.  If this brings greater standardization and a more professional overall appearance to the organization, I'm all for it.  :clap:
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 18, 2019, 11:32:23 PM
Quote from: chuckmilam on January 18, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 18, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
Is it Wordpress, or has Hdqs picked some obscure system.

From what I understand, it's something called "SiteViz CMS" by Global Reach Internet Productions, LLC in Iowa. 

Never heard of it?  Don't feel bad, neither had I--and I've been around the Internet for a good long time.

Go ahead, Google it.

Geez. Who was at Hdqs the day the snake oil salesman walked in and sold a proprietary system that will leave every squadron in trouble when this company goes down?  Nuts.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: sardak on January 18, 2019, 11:42:11 PM
^^^^Global Reach has been the developer of the CAP NHQ website for years, longer than you've been a member. Their logo is at the bottom of the CAP homepage.

Found the news release - 2003 -  https://www.globalreach.com/about/news-and-press-releases/global-reach-gives-the-civil-air-patrol-new-wings/

Mike
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 18, 2019, 11:47:07 PM
Looking at the source code of siteviz.com its so similar to WP, like they just use WP, but change a few things here and there, just enough they can call it their own. Seen it before, so many times over the years.

Will they give Squadrons Admin level access, or will it be Author only which is excruciating limiting.

Still want to know about domains. I'd sure hate to go back to the sub-domains. If we can't use our existing domain, we could always just use that for marketing separately and put the "official" website on this new system.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 18, 2019, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: sardak on January 18, 2019, 11:42:11 PM
^^^^Global Reach has been the developer of the CAP NHQ website for years, longer than you've been a member. Their logo is at the bottom of the CAP homepage.

Mike

And everyone has been complaining about it for as long as I have been around. 

Please don't tell me its the same company that does WMIRS and eServices! Ouch!
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on January 19, 2019, 02:46:31 AM
I have never heard or seen any complain. And I have been using WMIRS and eServices for a long time.

My complaint is with some squadron themselves. They do great webpages. Providing lots of info for members and non-members alike. Then invite those looking at their websites to see their sites. When they have placed their website on, let's say, Facebook! I have to log on to Facebook to see a unit webpage?

NO WAY! This is sine qua non!


Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: A.Member on January 19, 2019, 02:49:53 AM
Quote from: etodd on January 18, 2019, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: sardak on January 18, 2019, 11:42:11 PM
^^^^Global Reach has been the developer of the CAP NHQ website for years, longer than you've been a member. Their logo is at the bottom of the CAP homepage.

Mike

And everyone has been complaining about it for as long as I have been around. 

Please don't tell me its the same company that does WMIRS and eServices! Ouch!
So, you have yet to see or use the actual product and you've already passed judgement?!  You've made several comments here and in other threads about your website/social media.  Care to share the URL to your unit page so we can take a look? 

Here's the thing, an effort is being made to provide a branded product that provides consistency across the org.  Rather than fight and poo-poo it before it even gets launched, give it a shot and keep in mind the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 19, 2019, 02:52:13 AM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on January 19, 2019, 02:46:31 AM
I have never heard or seen any complain. And I have been using WMIRS and eServices for a long time.

My complaint is with some squadron themselves. They do great webpages. Providing lots of info for members and non-members alike. Then invite those looking at their websites to see their sites. When they have placed their website on, let's say, Facebook! I have to log on to Facebook to see a unit webpage?

NO WAY! This is sine qua non!

Yes. Its apples and oranges. A Facebook page has different uses than a website.  Both can be great marketing tools.

Squadrons look at these differently. Some build both with the primary emphasis member use.  Ours is primarily marketing and advertising trying to reach potential new members.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 19, 2019, 02:58:33 AM
Quote from: A.Member on January 19, 2019, 02:49:53 AM


So, you have yet to see or use the actual product and you've already passed judgement?!

Guilty as charged. I should have waited to speak.

Its a done deal, so it doesn't matter anyway. We'll donate the time and effort to "redo all the work" we've done over the last 3 years on our existing website to convert to the new "official" website template for our squadron as mandated, then go on about our usual business.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: arajca on January 19, 2019, 03:57:29 AM
According to the question/answer section, while all units will be required to convert over to the new system, there is currently no deadline, and it does seem to suggest the conversion process may be a multi-year project. So, once the system becomes available, see what it will take to convert and make a plan.

I have seen some outstandingly great unit websites, and many more...pathetic/ancient/out-of-date unit websites. 
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 19, 2019, 04:32:42 AM
Quote from: arajca on January 19, 2019, 03:57:29 AM

I have seen some outstandingly great unit websites, and many more...pathetic/ancient/out-of-date unit websites.

And that will not necessarily change.

No matter how great the "template with a blank hole in the middle" and the CMS is, the success of each website is totally dependent on each Squadron's "website person" to be knowledgeable into what content should be on each page, what works marketing wise to grab attention of possible visitors. Etc.,

How good is the local photography that the website will be filled with? Does it tell a story and grab people's attention? Is it filled with snapshots, or is it carefully planned out based on the content of each page?

So while, yes, a new CMS may give the tools needed .... don't expect every squadron to all of a sudden have a wonderful website.

After the website manager position has gone from the second or third person and each has put their mark on it, is when it usually gets to be a "mess".  LOL

But yes .... an answer has been needed, to give those squadrons without access to a web developer, to able to get something online. Maybe the first few new sites will give them a model of some content they can brainstorm with.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: RiverAux on January 22, 2019, 11:05:37 PM
The CG Aux has been doing this for a number of years and the result is that almost every unit does have a website.  However, most of them are a generic site in which the only local content is contact information drawn from the national directory.  Most units are not adding much of their own content and very few seem to be taking real advantage of the capabilities.  But, if the goal is to at least have a basic site for all units, it works. 
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 23, 2019, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on January 22, 2019, 11:05:37 PM
The CG Aux has been doing this for a number of years and the result is that almost every unit does have a website.  However, most of them are a generic site in which the only local content is contact information drawn from the national directory.  Most units are not adding much of their own content and very few seem to be taking real advantage of the capabilities.  But, if the goal is to at least have a basic site for all units, it works.

Yep.  Personally, I think there should be a wholly different track/position/category/whatever for a position of Marketing/Advertising.  Too often it gets lumped into Public Affairs Officers and/or Recruiters.  Advertising is a very different animal than PAO's "News Releases".  Both are great and needed. But its a different mindset, when you want your website and social media to draw people in.

Yes, some folks are good at it all .... but the training for PAOs is more geared toward writing releases for the newspaper and gov't officials ... as opposed to how to write a catchy ad that will grab a 14 year old's attention on Facebook.  I'd like to see a whole new track for that.

JMHOs of course.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on January 23, 2019, 06:03:35 AM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on January 22, 2019, 11:05:37 PM
The CG Aux has been doing this for a number of years and the result is that almost every unit does have a website.  However, most of them are a generic site in which the only local content is contact information drawn from the national directory.  Most units are not adding much of their own content and very few seem to be taking real advantage of the capabilities.  But, if the goal is to at least have a basic site for all units, it works.

Yep.  Personally, I think there should be a wholly different track/position/category/whatever for a position of Marketing/Advertising.  Too often it gets lumped into Public Affairs Officers and/or Recruiters.  Advertising is a very different animal than PAO's "News Releases".  Both are great and needed. But its a different mindset, when you want your website and social media to draw people in.

Yes, some folks are good at it all .... but the training for PAOs is more geared toward writing releases for the newspaper and gov't officials ... as opposed to how to write a catchy ad that will grab a 14 year old's attention on Facebook.  I'd like to see a whole new track for that.

JMHOs of course.

Boy, if only you had a forum full of a captive audience to start a "Marketing/Advertising your Unit" thread with some of your best practices on the topic.  :D
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Gunsotsu on January 23, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 12:20:47 AM
Yes, some folks are good at it all .... but the training for PAOs is more geared toward writing releases for the newspaper and gov't officials ... as opposed to how to write a catchy ad that will grab a 14 year old's attention on Facebook.  I'd like to see a whole new track for that.

And this highlights the litany of problems in marketing CAP. 14-year olds aren't on Facebook. Their parents are, their grandparents certainly are, but 14-year olds don't Facebook. Per it's usually glacial pace, this organization steadfastly refuses to even attempt to stay current. Youtube, Instagram, and Snapchat. You want to get 14-year old eyeballs on something, that's where you go. Not Facebook, and not a unit website. 
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Not to mention the non-trivial issue of COPA with an organization that is seeking 12 year old eyes.

I agree that every unit should have a basic contact website, if that's what this is, so be it.

Generate 1400 some template sites out of the Form 27 data so that every unit can be located
with a good email and phone number.

Done, next actual problem.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on January 23, 2019, 04:22:33 PM
1145 _squadron_ sites.

That "1400 units" number includes all units, including flights, squadrons, groups, wings, regions, "triple-zero" units, legislative squadrons, all the "NHQ-XXX" units to include overseas squadrons, the HQ flights, the National Commander's Squadron, etc.

The number of local "meet every Tuesday night" units is closer to 1145 last time I ran the count.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
Fair point, I usually spout that "1400" number as it's the one NHQ uses a lot.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: TheSkyHornet on January 23, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
The minimum age for a Facebook account is 13.

There are plenty of 14-year-olds on Facebook. Maybe in today's day, it's not the mass norm; but they're out there. We have a number of cadets that follow our squadron's Facebook page.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Um, yes.  With the minimum age being 13, there re plenty of 14 year olds.

CAP brings in members 12 and younger.  That's an issue.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 23, 2019, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Gunsotsu on January 23, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 12:20:47 AM
Yes, some folks are good at it all .... but the training for PAOs is more geared toward writing releases for the newspaper and gov't officials ... as opposed to how to write a catchy ad that will grab a 14 year old's attention on Facebook.  I'd like to see a whole new track for that.

And this highlights the litany of problems in marketing CAP. 14-year olds aren't on Facebook. Their parents are, their grandparents certainly are, but 14-year olds don't Facebook. Per it's usually glacial pace, this organization steadfastly refuses to even attempt to stay current. Youtube, Instagram, and Snapchat. You want to get 14-year old eyeballs on something, that's where you go. Not Facebook, and not a unit website.

Gee wiz. I used FB generically to mean social media in general, and you decide to spend time writing all that ^^^.  LOL

Well OKKKKK  ;)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on January 23, 2019, 07:24:02 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Um, yes.  With the minimum age being 13, there re plenty of 14 year olds.

CAP brings in members 12 and younger.  That's an issue.

If Facebook were you sole avenue of contact, sure. You'd miss the 12 year olds. But certainly "parents of kids 12-18" is a targeted "audience" you can use in FB advertising.

And there are other avenues of approach to get the 12 year old audience.

And certainly, COPPA aside, 12 year olds have the ability, if not the capability, to surf the web on their own. Supervised or otherwise.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 23, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Not to mention the non-trivial issue of COPA with an organization that is seeking 12 year old eyes.

I agree that every unit should have a basic contact website, if that's what this is, so be it.

Generate 1400 some template sites out of the Form 27 data so that every unit can be located
with a good email and phone number.

Done, next actual problem.

Let me guess. I'll bet you are a heavy yellow page user. Sits right on your desk.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: PHall on January 23, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Not to mention the non-trivial issue of COPA with an organization that is seeking 12 year old eyes.

I agree that every unit should have a basic contact website, if that's what this is, so be it.

Generate 1400 some template sites out of the Form 27 data so that every unit can be located
with a good email and phone number.

Done, next actual problem.

Let me guess. I'll bet you are a heavy yellow page user. Sits right on your desk.

Right next to his Bell System Model 500 rotary dial phone! >:D
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 23, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Not to mention the non-trivial issue of COPA with an organization that is seeking 12 year old eyes.

I agree that every unit should have a basic contact website, if that's what this is, so be it.

Generate 1400 some template sites out of the Form 27 data so that every unit can be located
with a good email and phone number.

Done, next actual problem.

Let me guess. I'll bet you are a heavy yellow page user. Sits right on your desk.

Right next to his Bell System Model 500 rotary dial phone! >:D

Um no.

I use a Model 2702BMG thank you very much.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: arajca on January 23, 2019, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 23, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Not to mention the non-trivial issue of COPA with an organization that is seeking 12 year old eyes.

I agree that every unit should have a basic contact website, if that's what this is, so be it.

Generate 1400 some template sites out of the Form 27 data so that every unit can be located
with a good email and phone number.

Done, next actual problem.

Let me guess. I'll bet you are a heavy yellow page user. Sits right on your desk.

Right next to his Bell System Model 500 rotary dial phone! >:D
Using said phone (https://www.ksl.com/article/46473872/have-you-seen-this-teenagers-cant-use-rotary-phone)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: PHall on January 23, 2019, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 23, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Not to mention the non-trivial issue of COPA with an organization that is seeking 12 year old eyes.

I agree that every unit should have a basic contact website, if that's what this is, so be it.

Generate 1400 some template sites out of the Form 27 data so that every unit can be located
with a good email and phone number.

Done, next actual problem.

Let me guess. I'll bet you are a heavy yellow page user. Sits right on your desk.

Right next to his Bell System Model 500 rotary dial phone! >:D

Um no.

I use a Model 2702BMG thank you very much.

2000 series phones are Touch Tone not rotary. Nice try.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on January 23, 2019, 10:30:19 PM
Gents, back to the subject. Don't make me show the new mods how to prune threads....
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: arajca on January 23, 2019, 10:38:10 PM
Awww. You're no fun, Nin.  ;D

Anyhow, it's interesting how many folks complain about the huge variety of CAP websites, but don't seem to like the idea of a CAP "branded" website that promotes the notion of "One CAP" being put forth. If this program can help keep the sites updated with contact and location information, that'd be a huge help. It can also help relieve the burden many members have taken on designing and hosting a unit website.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on January 23, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: arajca on January 23, 2019, 10:38:10 PM
Awww. You're no fun, Nin.  ;D

Anyhow, it's interesting how many folks complain about the huge variety of CAP websites, but don't seem to like the idea of a CAP "branded" website that promotes the notion of "One CAP" being put forth. If this program can help keep the sites updated with contact and location information, that'd be a huge help. It can also help relieve the burden many members have taken on designing and hosting a unit website.

Mandating one tool over another doesn't mean the tool chosen is appropriate, nor that anyone will use it.
PA right now is one of the most discussed, and least "member-interested" roles.  Yo have places where people
care, and places where they don't.

Unless it's auto-generated, the content will die in the same way it does now, or be refreshed in most places
at SUI time.

As to "branding" - NHQ doesn't adhere to their own policies, how will they enforce it downstream?
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on January 23, 2019, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: arajca on January 23, 2019, 10:38:10 PM
Awww. You're no fun, Nin.  ;D

Anyhow, it's interesting how many folks complain about the huge variety of CAP websites, but don't seem to like the idea of a CAP "branded" website that promotes the notion of "One CAP" being put forth. If this program can help keep the sites updated with contact and location information, that'd be a huge help. It can also help relieve the burden many members have taken on designing and hosting a unit website.

I'm all for it. Matter of fact, Christopher Kovacs (you OH Wing guys know Toph) and I proposed just such a thing to NHQ circa 1999 or so.  NHQ-hosted websites in basically three levels of complexity:

1. a "generic " data driven site with "unit locator-style" info (meeting location, unit contacts) using the info found in CAPWATCH (eServices). Unit doesn't have anybody with a clue? No big.  Its all automagic. You have at least this, and literally within a day after a change of command or  meeting location, your website would reflect the info found in the national database.

2.  A data-driven site using a drag & drop editor. You could have a unit calendar, a photo gallery, maybe some kind of "unit news" if you so choose.  Last guy who knew how to use the editor leaves the unit and nobody cares to learn?  One mouse click and you're back to a Level 1 site.

3. The ability to link the "uuu.wg.cap.gov" URL to your current unit site, because you have a killer web team already. Oh, your web guy transferred to another state and your site won't work anymore? You can either have a Level 2 or a Level 1 site going forward.

As I recall (I don't have my email archives that far back), the answer was "Why would we want something like that?"
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 23, 2019, 11:36:58 PM
Quote from: arajca on January 23, 2019, 10:38:10 PM


Anyhow, it's interesting how many folks complain about the huge variety of CAP websites, but don't seem to like the idea of a CAP "branded" website that promotes the notion of "One CAP" being put forth.


Huh?  About a year ago(?) they rolled out a new template to that very end. And yes, we used it on our website on our own domain hosted elsewhere. "One CAP" ... you bet.  :)

But now after having spent many hours on it. One Squadron in our Wing just redid theirs totally in the last 3 months.... NOW we get told ... back to square one. 

The only good side is that there isn't a deadline. (As of yet)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: GZCP31 on January 24, 2019, 03:32:09 AM
Quote from: etodd on January 23, 2019, 11:36:58 PM
The only good side is that there isn't a deadline. (As of yet)


From the PDF "Leadership will determine and communicate a target date later in the calendar year. To be clear, the target date will be communicated this year, but there is no expectation that all migration will have been completed in 2019."
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: CAPTShaw on January 25, 2019, 12:16:49 AM
I have searched and searched many many lists and found no one that even rates this SiteViz, even any Top 100 lists, not any discussion other than their own website.

As to our current Squadron website, information is updated often, it has not cost the the Squadron 1 penny.

Has anyone found any discussion about SiteViz?

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 25, 2019, 05:41:25 AM
Quote from: CAPTShaw on January 25, 2019, 12:16:49 AM

Has anyone found any discussion about SiteViz?

SiteViz is not new to CAP as they have been doing the national site for awhile (not sure how long).

I'm not sure at all as to how, at that time, Hdqs researched companies to do the work and decided SiteViz was best for the job?

Maybe they floated a RFP out nationally and SiteViz was the lowest bidder?

Maybe a SiteViz snake oil salesman just happened to walk in the door at Montgomery at just the right time, and sold someone there, and it was accepted without getting proposals from others?

IDK.  Its all a done deal, just as this new one is. As with any organization like ours, or some business corporation, things get decided at corporate levels with virtually no input from the folks in the trenches that have to actually use the snake oil on a daily basis.

Its just the nature of the beast.  We say thanks. We adapt what they give us and make it work.   LOL
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: CAP9907 on January 25, 2019, 05:50:18 AM
Their 'portfolio' has a bunch of small, local clients.. not sure if they can handle an enterprise this big.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on January 25, 2019, 06:42:35 AM
It always amazes me how many people pass judgement before even TRYING whatever they're judging.

Their portfolio (including the parent company's portfolio) includes almost 50 clients of a wide variety.  And I'm sure they don't have EVERY client included in their portfolio.  Their Press Release section shows that they've been in business since 2000 and first gained CAP as a client in 2003.  Their "About Us" page says they've been in business since 1995. Seems like a decent history to me.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: CAP9907 on January 25, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
No judgement being passed here, just my observations based on their published portfolio:

Munn Lumber Co.
Young Professionals of Ames
Iowa Organization of Nurse Leaders
Dutch Oven Bakery
Iowa Pupils Transportation Association
The Greater Des Moines Partnership's YPC
and a few dozen more.

All look like local businesses/organizations. While that is fine, can they support ~ 1000 individual Squadrons? I don't know but I do wonder.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on January 25, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: CAP9907 on January 25, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
No judgement being passed here, just my observations based on their published portfolio:

Munn Lumber Co.
Young Professionals of Ames
Iowa Organization of Nurse Leaders
Dutch Oven Bakery
Iowa Pupils Transportation Association
The Greater Des Moines Partnership's YPC
and a few dozen more.

All look like local businesses/organizations. While that is fine, can they support ~ 1000 individual Squadrons? I don't know but I do wonder.

Understandable.  But as a Web Developer, a well built CMS is easily scalable no matter the size of the organization.  It's all merely database driven.  A well designed database can handle unlimited data.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: OldGuy on January 25, 2019, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: CAP9907 on January 25, 2019, 05:50:18 AM
Their 'portfolio' has a bunch of small, local clients.. not sure if they can handle an enterprise this big.

https://www.captainjack.com/about-us/
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 25, 2019, 03:28:14 PM
Quote from: Fester on January 25, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
But as a Web Developer, a well built CMS is easily scalable no matter the size of the organization.  It's all merely database driven.  A well designed database can handle unlimited data.

Exactly. However, I'd much prefer it had been design with something like Wordpress, and that we would have Admin privileges to our own websites. Using their proprietary system locks us into them. If whatever reason we have to change to different vendor one day, its starting over from scratch at every squadron. Just like it is now. Hopefully the deadline will be a couple years from now. Many of us who dedicated lots of time recently building what we have, may not have time to jump on this soon.  Its very disheartening to realize so much work we've done is going to be trashed and started back from square one. :(

An example, we have our Squadron's Facebook feed embedded on our homepage, so any notices posted on FB immediately show up on the website. I wonder if this new system will have any features like that? I'm hoping so. I would hope that all these squadron developers who have put in the extra efforts will be able to transfer these types of things easily to the new format.

Watching and waiting ....
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on January 25, 2019, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 25, 2019, 03:28:14 PM
Quote from: Fester on January 25, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
But as a Web Developer, a well built CMS is easily scalable no matter the size of the organization.  It's all merely database driven.  A well designed database can handle unlimited data.

Exactly. However, I'd much prefer it had been design with something like Wordpress, and that we would have Admin privileges to our own websites. Using their proprietary system locks us into them. If whatever reason we have to change to different vendor one day, its starting over from scratch at every squadron. Just like it is now. Hopefully the deadline will be a couple years from now. Many of us who dedicated lots of time recently building what we have, may not have time to jump on this soon.  Its very disheartening to realize so much work we've done is going to be trashed and started back from square one. :(

An example, we have our Squadron's Facebook feed embedded on our homepage, so any notices posted on FB immediately show up on the website. I wonder if this new system will have any features like that? I'm hoping so. I would hope that all these squadron developers who have put in the extra efforts will be able to transfer these types of things easily to the new format.

Watching and waiting ....

For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 25, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on January 25, 2019, 06:25:15 PM

For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.

Yes, we are hoping that continues to be the case. We will of course create the new mandatory website before the deadline with the basic info. Then keep on trucking with all the other websites/social media/etc., as before ....
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on January 25, 2019, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 25, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on January 25, 2019, 06:25:15 PM

For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.

Yes, we are hoping that continues to be the case. We will of course create the new mandatory website before the deadline with the basic info. Then keep on trucking with all the other websites/social media/etc., as before ....

Indeed. I intend to use the new site because I waited for 3 years on developing a replacement site because they kept telling me we'd have this solution "Soon."

I should have ignored them.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: PHall on January 25, 2019, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on January 25, 2019, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: etodd on January 25, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on January 25, 2019, 06:25:15 PM

For what it is worth, using this new structure is mandatory. The rule says nothing about not running more than one website.

Yes, we are hoping that continues to be the case. We will of course create the new mandatory website before the deadline with the basic info. Then keep on trucking with all the other websites/social media/etc., as before ....

Indeed. I intend to use the new site because I waited for 3 years on developing a replacement site because they kept telling me we'd have this solution "Soon."

I should have ignored them.

Of course now you guys have said you're going to use their website and your website they'll tell you it's their website or nothing. ::)

When are you guys going to learn to keep this stuff to yourselves?
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on January 25, 2019, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: PHall on January 25, 2019, 10:24:26 PM

When are you guys going to learn to keep this stuff to yourselves?

A rebel be quiet? It doesn't work that way.  >:D
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: arajca on February 03, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
Well, it's two days past when National said information would be available on the Information Technology page. Has anyone seen it? I can't find the IT page on Eservices or Gocivilairpatrol.com.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 03, 2019, 07:33:54 PM
Quote from: arajca on February 03, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
Well, it's two days past when National said information would be available on the Information Technology page. Has anyone seen it? I can't find the IT page on Eservices or Gocivilairpatrol.com.

I haven't been looking for it. I'll wait until I hear other squadrons saying how they are using it, then I'll go take a look.

I don't care to be one of the initial "beta testers".  Let others work out the kinks. LOL
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: GZCP31 on February 04, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
In eServices, Click on Information Technology, then on the right hand side is "CAP Web Sites"
The information is there.

Or use this link :)
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/cap-national-hq/information-technology/cap-web-sites
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: arajca on February 04, 2019, 02:16:11 PM
Well, I guess I'm not approved - I don't have Information Technology on my Eservices menus and under the National Staff Areas on the public page, it doesn't show up either.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 04, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 04, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
In eServices, Click on Information Technology, then on the right hand side is "CAP Web Sites"
The information is there.

Or use this link :)
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/cap-national-hq/information-technology/cap-web-sites

Why does a content guideline document have "confidential" in the footer?  And why does NHQ
have a document with "confidential" in the footer posted publicly?
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/WCAG_Content_Creation_Guidelines_V3_31432604D4533.pdf
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on February 04, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D

Amusing with the exception that I know our membership money and/or my tax dollars are being wasted on this instead of communicating with the membership at large for methods of doing this first...
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 04, 2019, 05:29:03 PM

Amusing with the exception that I know our membership money and/or my tax dollars are being wasted on this instead of communicating with the membership at large for methods of doing this first...

While I agree TOTALLY with the sentiment. I also fully understand these types of things can't be done by popular vote. Someone (or a couple) at the top have to be the decision makers.  And you would hope they would seek out wisdom from good sources, and not be gullible to the snake oil salesmen that walk in the door. Ahem.  LOL
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 04, 2019, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 04, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D

Amusing with the exception that I know our membership money and/or my tax dollars are being wasted on this instead of communicating with the membership at large for methods of doing this first...

Not to mention volunteer time and initiative, which NHQ generally thinks is "free" and "infinite" resulting in the scores of unfunded mandates
that never get fully implemented and then die on the vine for the next shiny.

The organization as a whole already has standard, robust, free services offered by international companies people have actually heard of in place and working as intended and designed.

To etodd's point above, popular vote?  No, but with member and stakeholder input?  Certainly and that should be a mandate.

NHQ makes a lot of hay about how important the volunteers are, and then makes decisions for stakeholders by disinterested parties,
resulting often in those stakeholders disengaging.  Does this happen the first time new guy butter bar gets stopped midstride and told
what he did has no value and do "other"? 

No.

It starts happening the third or fourth time, coincidentally when these same members start getting a clue, and when their experience and
training could start to be most valuable.

Is this a good time to mention that the WMU, which was ordered shut-down during Gen Bowling's tenure is still up and in active use
because various needs are still not being met for the field?

Or that despite all the verbiage about "branding" the credit provider is still issuing cards with the "US" version of the Majcom, and that
NHQ sites and documents themselves contain not only prohibited insignia, but some that were never correct to start with?

What if before starting another initiative, that everything that is already in place was corrected properly?
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on February 04, 2019, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 04, 2019, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 04, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D

Amusing with the exception that I know our membership money and/or my tax dollars are being wasted on this instead of communicating with the membership at large for methods of doing this first...

Not to mention volunteer time and initiative, which NHQ generally thinks is "free" and "infinite" resulting in the scores of unfunded mandates
that never get fully implemented and then die on the vine for the next shiny.

The organization as a whole already has standard, robust, free services offered by international companies people have actually heard of in place and working as intended and designed.

To etodd's point above, popular vote?  No, but with member and stakeholder input?  Certainly and that should be a mandate.

NHQ makes a lot of hay about how important the volunteers are, and then makes decisions for stakeholders by disinterested parties,
resulting often in those stakeholders disengaging.  Does this happen the first time new guy butter bar gets stopped midstride and tole
what he did has no value and do "other"? 

No.

It starts happening the third or fourth time, coincidentally when these same members start getting a clue, and when their experience and
training could start to be most valuable.

Is this a good time to mention that the WMU, which was ordered shut-down during Gen Bowling's tenure is still up and in active use
because various needs are still not being met for the field?

Or that despite all the verbiage about "branding" the credit provider is still issuing card with the "US" version of the Majcom, and that
NHQ sites and documents themselves contain not only prohibited insignia, but some that were never correct to start with?

What if before starting another initiative, that everything that is already in place was corrected properly?

That's as silly as holding ourselves to the publications moratorium and not pushing out the half-assed Continuous Compliance initiative until the publications rewrite is done.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on February 04, 2019, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 04, 2019, 06:25:46 PM
What if before starting another initiative, that everything that is already in place was corrected properly?

Come on Bob, you know that we'd never get anywhere if we did everything in a "massively serial" way.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: jeders on February 05, 2019, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: arajca on February 03, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
Well, it's two days past when National said information would be available on the Information Technology page. Has anyone seen it? I can't find the IT page on Eservices or Gocivilairpatrol.com.

I just looked at the notification, and the date has been moved to 7 Feb. Hopefully we'll see something in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: JeffDG on February 05, 2019, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 04, 2019, 06:50:59 PM
That's as silly as holding ourselves to the publications moratorium and not pushing out the half-assed Continuous Compliance initiative until the publications rewrite is done.
Or...getting dinged on a CI because your wing doesn't have a supplement that's required by a regulation, such supplement has been waiting for NHQ approval (which by regulation NHQ is required to approve or disapprove with comments within 30 days) for over a year.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on February 05, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D

Speaking as someone who has used SiteViz, you have no idea what you're saying.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 05, 2019, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: NIN on February 05, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 04, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Thanks for the links.  Anyone with experience in developing Wordpress websites (which is free software) and looks at this new system, realizes its WordPress at its core with a simple "front end" attached to it so SiteViz can charge big bucks for something that is in the public domain.  Gotta love entreprenuership. Amusing as heck.  ;D

Speaking as someone who has used SiteViz, you have no idea what you're saying.

Looking at the published instructions thus far could be copy and paste from a Wordpress instructions.  Permissions for Editors, Authors, etc.  ... all the same as WP

The text area entry box with its editing controls over it, standard WP as well.

Looking at the code of the SiteViz website shows lots of similarities.

Most database driven websites ARE very similar. But the more I look into this one the more similarities to WP I see.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: chuckmilam on February 06, 2019, 01:41:40 AM
No, no...it can't be the evil, insecure open source WordPress.  This is the much better "secure source" paradigm.  /s
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 06, 2019, 03:39:17 AM
Quote from: chuckmilam on February 06, 2019, 01:41:40 AM
No, no...it can't be the evil, insecure open source WordPress.  This is the much better "secure source" paradigm.  /s

LOL

You know, I get the OPSEC stuff for WMIRS and eServices. But our Squadron website is strictly marketing and advertising. "Hey Come Visit Us!"

Are there really that many Squadrons building websites with content that would be considered OPSEC issues? Seems like anything like that should be on WMIRS or eServices. What are these folks doing?
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Spaceman3750 on February 06, 2019, 04:32:22 AM
I look at malware and compromised websites as a routine part of my day job. A not insignificant percentage of those sites are WordPress. It wouldn't be my first choice.

But, in the words of this one guy on Facebook, "no one wins internet arguments."
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fubar on February 06, 2019, 06:13:47 AM
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: chuckmilam on February 06, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on February 06, 2019, 04:32:22 AM
A not insignificant percentage of those sites are WordPress.
Anything is vulnerable if it's not updated.  Modern WordPress installations can be configured to update automatically.  The problems tends to arise when someone gets the blogging itch and then neglects to update the site back-end for years.   
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM
I just checked and found that the "CAP Website Request Form" is in Internet Operations in eservices. To get to it, you must be part of IT for the unit.
You will need a primary, and secondary Administrator for the site. The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov
After you submit the form, the unit Commander will need to approve. then it will go to NHQ.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 07, 2019, 09:06:07 PM
So who decides the sitename?  Is there a standard? 

I would vote that it should be the charter number as that is least likely to change, but names and types can and do.

PCR-NV-666.NVWG.CAP.GOV?
PCRNV666.NVWG.CAP.GOV?

FLYOVERCOMPOSITESQUADRON?

GROUPSIXSIXSIXHEADQUARTERS?

GROUP666HEADQUARTERS?

GROUP666HQ?

For that matter why would it not be:  NVWG.CAP.GOV/NELLIS?
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
I did not see any standards listed.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: JeffDG on February 07, 2019, 09:45:36 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
I did not see any standards listed.
Pffft...Standards.  We don't need no stinking standards...
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 07, 2019, 09:06:07 PM
So who decides the sitename?  Is there a standard? 


Well having your city's name would help with Google searches. For example:

www.juneausquadron.cap.gov
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 07, 2019, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 07, 2019, 09:06:07 PM
So who decides the sitename?  Is there a standard? 


Well having your city's name would help with Google searches. For example:

www.juneausquadron.cap.gov

Looking at my Wing, only about 1/2 the charters have a name related to a geographic location.

Interestingly, it's more common in the more rural areas.  The others are names after airports, former airports,
people, and other.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 07, 2019, 10:43:03 PM

Looking at my Wing, only about 1/2 the charters have a name related to a geographic location.


Yes. Most websites get started by computer geeks ... instead of advertising/marketing folks.  :(

The two should work more closely together.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: jeders on February 07, 2019, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.

It appears that if you already have a domain name and website, you can use that name in the request. So if everyone already knows capsquadron123.com, then use that domain name when you apply for the new website.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 08, 2019, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 07, 2019, 10:43:03 PM

Looking at my Wing, only about 1/2 the charters have a name related to a geographic location.


Yes. Most websites get started by computer geeks ... instead of advertising/marketing folks.  :(

The two should work more closely together.

?

What's that got to do with the unit name?  You don't name a unit based on a city
unless that city is doing something for you, or is small enough for only one unit.

Not going to really work in NY, LA, ORD, or any place else God intended people to live.
The dystopian hellscape of rural America?  Sure.

URLs are literally irrelevant.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: JeffDG on February 08, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.
Simplest solution would be to do a quick redirect at the .com to redirect to your .gov, so someone visiting the .com (from search engine results) would get flipped to the .gov almost transparently.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 08, 2019, 02:45:36 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on February 08, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
Simplest solution would be to do a quick redirect at the .com to redirect to your .gov, so someone visiting the .com (from search engine results) would get flipped to the .gov almost transparently.

Of course thats possible.  We would just have to keep the domain hosted, or could do it at registrar level possibly, if SiteViz will answer for the domain(?).

Will be awhile before I jump into it. Swamped with other projects at the moment.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 08, 2019, 02:50:23 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 08, 2019, 12:01:48 AM

Not going to really work in NY, LA, ORD, or any place else God intended people to live.
The dystopian hellscape of rural America?  Sure.


C'mon man .... tell us how you REALLY feel :)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on February 08, 2019, 07:31:07 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.

You can do a redirect from your squadron's current domain name to the new website in a manner that will allow you to maintain the current domain name and all of the search engine rankings and everything you've already built as far as marketing and SEO goes.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on February 08, 2019, 07:32:18 AM
Quote from: Fester on February 08, 2019, 07:31:07 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.

You can do a redirect from your squadron's current domain name to the new website in a manner that will allow you to maintain the current domain name and all of the search engine rankings and everything you've already built as far as marketing and SEO goes.

More information on doing this.... https://moz.com/learn/seo/redirection
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: A.Member on February 09, 2019, 04:46:30 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on February 08, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.
Simplest solution would be to do a quick redirect at the .com to redirect to your .gov, so someone visiting the .com (from search engine results) would get flipped to the .gov almost transparently.
Concur.  If someone doesn't already understand this, then they really have no business operating a website; this is 101-level stuff.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 09, 2019, 05:08:28 AM
Quote from: A.Member on February 09, 2019, 04:46:30 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on February 08, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.
Simplest solution would be to do a quick redirect at the .com to redirect to your .gov, so someone visiting the .com (from search engine results) would get flipped to the .gov almost transparently.
Concur.  If someone doesn't already understand this, then they really have no business operating a website; this is 101-level stuff.

Talking 'bought me?  Been developing websites since 1995 and was redirecting that far back. LOL

The questions isn't how. The question is whether or not to do it?  We'll install the new dotgov website of course as our "official" website. The question is whether it'll do what we need it to in our marketing plans. If not, we can always use our existing domain/website for certain marketing uses. Keeping options open.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on February 09, 2019, 06:42:59 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 09, 2019, 05:08:28 AM
Quote from: A.Member on February 09, 2019, 04:46:30 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on February 08, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.
Simplest solution would be to do a quick redirect at the .com to redirect to your .gov, so someone visiting the .com (from search engine results) would get flipped to the .gov almost transparently.
Concur.  If someone doesn't already understand this, then they really have no business operating a website; this is 101-level stuff.

Talking 'bought me?  Been developing websites since 1995 and was redirecting that far back. LOL

The questions isn't how. The question is whether or not to do it?  We'll install the new dotgov website of course as our "official" website. The question is whether it'll do what we need it to in our marketing plans. If not, we can always use our existing domain/website for certain marketing uses. Keeping options open.

My guess would be that the SPIRIT of the reasons behind this initiative is that the powers that be don't want "separate" websites anymore.  If I were you, I'd stick to the one "official" website.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 09, 2019, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: Fester on February 09, 2019, 06:42:59 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 09, 2019, 05:08:28 AM
Quote from: A.Member on February 09, 2019, 04:46:30 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on February 08, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 07, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: GZCP31 on February 07, 2019, 08:54:30 PM

The Websites will be www.SITENAME.cap.gov


Wow. So back to square one marketing wise, since our dotcom domain already has excellent Google and Bing placement.  As well as on much of our printed literature, out there in public hands. Ouch!

No replies to this post needed.  I'm just amused. We'll use both domains, will follow orders and enter info into this new template, and keep chugging along.
Simplest solution would be to do a quick redirect at the .com to redirect to your .gov, so someone visiting the .com (from search engine results) would get flipped to the .gov almost transparently.
Concur.  If someone doesn't already understand this, then they really have no business operating a website; this is 101-level stuff.

Talking 'bought me?  Been developing websites since 1995 and was redirecting that far back. LOL

The questions isn't how. The question is whether or not to do it?  We'll install the new dotgov website of course as our "official" website. The question is whether it'll do what we need it to in our marketing plans. If not, we can always use our existing domain/website for certain marketing uses. Keeping options open.

My guess would be that the SPIRIT of the reasons behind this initiative is that the powers that be don't want "separate" websites anymore.  If I were you, I'd stick to the one "official" website.

Yeah.  Well, I'm also waiting for the official template for the Insta pages, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, and all the other more popular modes of attracting today's youth. Do 13 year olds even Google for websites anymore? ;)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Fester on February 10, 2019, 07:25:32 AM
I'm just going based on your previous comments that you intend to keep your squadron's current website regardless of how the new initiative works out.  Which seems to be to be in contrast to the spirit of why the higher ups are putting the time and effort into the standardization of unit websites.  Of course, a unit website has absolutely nothing to do with a unit's FB, IG, Snap or Twitter presence.  And I can't tell you if 13 year olds even Google for websites anymore, I would assume some and some don't, but I'm betting that parents who have to approve those 13 year olds joining our organization do.

Just my humble opinion.  I've been here long enough to know that you'll do whatever you like.  :D
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on February 11, 2019, 03:28:23 AM
Well I was hoping for a turnkey solution...

It seems I have just as much work to put into this as I will revamping the site I waited on, waiting for NHQ to get us a solution off the ground.

I'm not sure words can express my disappointment with this new system.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 11, 2019, 04:21:53 AM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 11, 2019, 03:28:23 AM
Well I was hoping for a turnkey solution...

It seems I have just as much work to put into this as I will revamping the site I waited on, waiting for NHQ to get us a solution off the ground.

I'm not sure words can express my disappointment with this new system.

Well you could keep it simple.  Put the minimal generic info in the template.

Then ... Put a H1 size link on the middle of the new website home page:

Click Here to See Our Facebook Page for Current Information

(C'mon guys .... you knew I couldn't resist.  >:D )
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on February 11, 2019, 05:06:01 AM
Quote from: etodd on February 11, 2019, 04:21:53 AM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 11, 2019, 03:28:23 AM
Well I was hoping for a turnkey solution...

It seems I have just as much work to put into this as I will revamping the site I waited on, waiting for NHQ to get us a solution off the ground.

I'm not sure words can express my disappointment with this new system.

Well you could keep it simple.  Put the minimal generic info in the template.

Then ... Put a H1 size link on the middle of the new website home page:

Click Here to See Our Facebook Page for Current Information

(C'mon guys .... you knew I couldn't resist.  >:D )

If it wasn't full of broken fields, I'd do precisely that. Instead I get to waste time tearing out fields they didn't bother populating after I learn how their system works.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: JeffDG on February 11, 2019, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 11, 2019, 04:21:53 AM
Quote from: Holding Pattern on February 11, 2019, 03:28:23 AM
Well I was hoping for a turnkey solution...

It seems I have just as much work to put into this as I will revamping the site I waited on, waiting for NHQ to get us a solution off the ground.

I'm not sure words can express my disappointment with this new system.

Well you could keep it simple.  Put the minimal generic info in the template.

Then ... Put a H1 size link on the middle of the new website home page:

Click Here to See Our Facebook Page for Current Information

(C'mon guys .... you knew I couldn't resist.  >:D )
Nah...just return a 301 status code to the FB page.   >:D
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: CAPTShaw on February 12, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
Has anyone been granted access to this new (to CAP) software? If so what is your website link to it?
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Holding Pattern on February 13, 2019, 06:33:33 PM
Quote from: CAPTShaw on February 12, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
Has anyone been granted access to this new (to CAP) software? If so what is your website link to it?

You get a custom link as part of your onboarding.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 13, 2019, 09:16:45 PM
We filled out the online request our url a few days ago. No clue as to how long before we hear back ...
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on February 19, 2019, 03:19:34 PM
A small update (doubtful this is OPSEC.. LOL)

(https://i.imgur.com/Z09BjJu.jpg)

Apparently 194 units have requested so far.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 19, 2019, 04:01:52 PM
Quote from: NIN on February 19, 2019, 03:19:34 PM

Apparently 194 units have requested so far.

Yes, we are all interested to see the system and to see what its going to entail to transfer all of our existing content to the new one.
I'm not thinking clicking an "import" link will do it. ;)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Paul Creed III on February 19, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
As a national staffer in charge of launching a new website for my AOR, I am excited to be able to get access and get started with our own home on the interwebs.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 19, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: Paul Creed III on February 19, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
As a national staffer in charge of launching a new website for my AOR, I am excited to be able to get access and get started with our own home on the interwebs.

I wish I was in your shoes, "getting started".   Many of us spent many hours building out our websites with the template given to us a year or so ago, only now to be told ... "hey, you gotta start over from scratch".  Oh well, such is CAP.  We make do with what we are given.  LOL
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Paul Creed III on February 19, 2019, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 19, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: Paul Creed III on February 19, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
As a national staffer in charge of launching a new website for my AOR, I am excited to be able to get access and get started with our own home on the interwebs.

I wish I was in your shoes, "getting started".   Many of us spent many hours building out our websites with the template given to us a year or so ago, only now to be told ... "hey, you gotta start over from scratch".  Oh well, such is CAP.  We make do with what we are given.  LOL

I'm also a group commander so I have 6 units plus group HQ to get moved over too. Some of my units have limited presences and others have very large sites. Wanna trade, LOL?!

I figure the old and the new will live together for a while as the content gets moved. Without a deadline, that makes the transition a bit easier for the big sites.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on February 20, 2019, 02:28:19 AM
But honestly, do CAP units even really need a "big" site?

Some public facing stuff (when we meet, where we meet, how to get in touch with us, what we're doing (calendar) and some photos*)

Some parent/member stuff that doesn't need to be behind a veil (the calendar and such handle most of that)

Some member facing stuff (any kind of local pubs, rosters, etc, behind a veil, like a member intranet)

My site isn't "big", and honestly, most of what we were posting on the website we've actually moved to more temporal social media like MyFaceSpaceTwitGram for the "sharing is caring" aspects.  (doesn't help when your Wing PAO tells you that "you can't have content older than 6 months.." Uh, what?)
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 03:11:30 AM
Contact information for the unit with meeting night info (not a calendar, meeting night info).

Links TO NHQ regarding membership (don't reinvent the wheel or repost docs already posted elsewhere).

Photos go elsewhere.

Calendars are for members not prospective members, so those and unit documents etc. all go into the intranet,
not accessible or needed by the general public.

Prospective members just need to know you exist, and where.  All other info will come from NHQ, or Lord help all of you,
TwitBook.

Anything else on a public-facing unit website is a waste of time.  No one is viewing it, and if they are, it's not likely because they have
a CAP-related need.

If your unit website is "big", you're wasting your time.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: TheSkyHornet on February 20, 2019, 02:31:19 PM
Just make sure you're posting those special 'weekend' cadet activities...preferably two weeks in advance.

QuoteCAPR 60-1: 4.3.2.1. Activity Calendars. Units will maintain a web-based calendar listing all cadet events the
unit plans to host or participate in during the coming year, updating the calendar throughout the year as
necessary. At a minimum, all special events (except events that are small in scope and involve only a
small portion of the unit) should be announced at least 2 weeks in advance to allow families time to plan
accordingly.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 03:09:18 PM
^ That would be an internal calendar as part of the intranet, not needed public-facing.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 20, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 03:09:18 PM
^ That would be an internal calendar as part of the intranet, not needed public-facing.

As a marketing & advertising guy, we put a lot of our activities on our public calendar so interested people will see how BUSY we are and see all the exciting things we do. 

(But of course most of that is on Facebook)

These Squadrons that have a public calendar, that is basically empty ... should delete the Calendar page altogether. Makes their Squadron look boring.

JMHO
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on February 20, 2019, 03:14:42 PM
I beg to differ. Public needs to know, parents, and visitors may want to visit. If the calendar is only for the unit, and there is no meeting, Jon and Jan Doe who wanted to visit the unit for their son / daughter will visit only to find the unit is not meeting after travelling there.


Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: NIN on February 20, 2019, 03:47:26 PM
Nevermind the provisions of CAPR 60-2, para 2.4.2  and Attachment One, Entry 2

EDIT: I should have looked up further in the thread, SkyHornet beat me to it!
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 03:58:53 PM
The information the general public needs is basic.

The information the unit members need is detailed (internal).

Randos and prospective members should not be wandering into ES training, AE days, O-rides or similar activities not open to the public.

An internal calendar for members only clearly meets the 2.4.2 requirement.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: TheSkyHornet on February 20, 2019, 03:59:42 PM
The calendar does not need to be made publicly available; however, it needs to be web-based so it can be accessed remotely and expediently to see the most current updated version. Paper gets lost and doesn't change once printed. A web login would suffice, but then you risk who's looking at it.

There's nothing in Cadet Programs that is OPSEC as far as posting activities online, whether it's a unit website or social media. But it needs to be available. Anything secretive regarding cadet activities is a red flag to me that you're busting Cadet Protection Program policy. It may not be the case, but it's sketchy. That said, if it's accessible to parents, I'd say it's fine.

I would consider a "calendar" to be either a date map with listed events, or an actual list of key dates. You can include "We meet every Monday from 7-9pm" on there or list each individual meeting (like we do, since we may shift locations due to PT in the winter, or meet at the park in the summer).

This is a relatively easy compliance item that can become forgotten, or inaccurate, if not managed. But it's a fairly easy item to manage.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 04:06:09 PM
There's a difference between "secretive" and "not public", I think we're on the same page here.

Ex: There is no need for any non-members to know about an overnight bivouac at a local forest preserve.  Obviously all members would know,
parents, Wing approvals, Form 32, etc., etc., however it's not open to the public, isn't an orientation opportunity, and does pose
risk to the participants for randos to be made easily aware of it.

That doesn't mean you don't tell people standing in front of you what you are doing, there's just no need to make it public.
An entry marked "weekend activity" on the public-facing calendar works, too.

Also, a properly managed calendar could show details to members and judt free-busy to non-members.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: TheSkyHornet on February 20, 2019, 04:17:07 PM
We're on the same page.

There is a marketing benefit to advertising that you have a full schedule, but that's also something that helps when it comes to a lack of private access or public photos (i.e., public affairs).

The difficulties I come across---being a unit that does not have a members-only web portal---is that information doesn't always make it from unit > cadet > parent; which, I could do the "it is what it is" method (which I do on occasion). But the easiest method for me, as someone who's performing a half a dozen roles in the unit with twenty times the workload I need, it's just going up on the website. Date, times, location, point of contact for questions.

There's a number of different ways to gain compliance. Really, the only wrong way, is to not make the information electronically accessible via the web.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: etodd on February 20, 2019, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 03:58:53 PM

The information the general public needs is basic.



The more I think about this, I'm probably going to wind up agreeing.  Most of our "outreach" internet wise is FB anyway.

Instead of spending many hours trying to transfer our existing website to the new one, I'll probably take a very minimalistic approach, and just put the most basic of contact information there. And be done with it.

Too many other more pressing matters on the to-do list.

Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: TheSkyHornet on February 20, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: etodd on February 20, 2019, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 20, 2019, 03:58:53 PM

The information the general public needs is basic.



The more I think about this, I'm probably going to wind up agreeing.  Most of our "outreach" internet wise is FB anyway.

Instead of spending many hours trying to transfer our existing website to the new one, I'll probably take a very minimalistic approach, and just put the most basic of contact information there. And be done with it.

Too many other more pressing matters on the to-do list.

What I would suggest is, when looking at the new website setup, you do a thorough review of your existing site and mark items as "Do I really need this (Y/N)?"

It's amazing on a redesign how much you realize either is missing or blatantly useless/outdated.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: PhoenixRisen on March 06, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
Just submitted the request for my unit and it made me wonder... would it be feasible to request matching e-mail addresses with the same newly-created squadron domain?  I'm in a wing that issues e-mail addresses to everyone, but they're using our .org wing domain.  Even if it's just for a select handful of staff members, such as command, recruiting, etc., to limit usage of .gov e-mail... that would go a long way with uniformity in the public eye.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: PhoenixRisen on March 08, 2019, 10:33:33 PM
Quote from: PhoenixRisen on March 06, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
Just submitted the request for my unit and it made me wonder... would it be feasible to request matching e-mail addresses with the same newly-created squadron domain?  I'm in a wing that issues e-mail addresses to everyone, but they're using our .org wing domain.  Even if it's just for a select handful of staff members, such as command, recruiting, etc., to limit usage of .gov e-mail... that would go a long way with uniformity in the public eye.

Disregard -- got an answer.  Not available yet, but something's in the works.
Title: Re: Unit Website Initiative Launch Date announced!
Post by: Eclipse on August 17, 2020, 12:41:26 AM
So...

Based on this: https://www.cap.news/top-public-affairs-efforts-awarded/

Can we assume this "initiative" ain't no mo?