people on ground team without 101

swya · February 19, 2007, 06:34:05 AM

you're ges inactive when your commander has yet to approve your 116 but you did pass and when i said no 101 i meant they had never taken the 116

DNall · February 19, 2007, 06:38:31 AM

I don't think CCs approve GES. I know when I took it it logged directly to the SQTRs & there's no record of it being approved anywhere. I don't know I'm not a CC.

swya · February 19, 2007, 06:47:26 AM

if cc means cadet commander than no, but the commander has to approve you to be ges active

flyerthom · February 19, 2007, 07:07:33 AM

Some interesting ah challenges there cadet. If this is the NV SAREX I think it is, I was flying as an MO that day and lordmoner was participating on the ground.
If you have evidence to back this up you must report it up your chain of command. If you have only hearsay you may want to remain reserved until you have proof. Good people have been hurt by bogus charges in the past and you never know who's reading what you write. The best and most honest course is to follow your chain of command.

lordmonar · February 19, 2007, 07:24:44 AM

Okay I'm going to come the SWYA's rescue here.

First off......there has only been one cadet who has NOT been GES qualified ever get on a team...and that was my fault because I did not listen close enough to what he was saying.

Second......in NVWG lately we have been flying a lot of HLS profiles during our SAREX's. These are mainly photo recon, but we have also been doing route searches and "suspicious activity" searches. In those missions we put a team down in the target areas with instructions to hide when ever a plane goes by to simulate a terrorist group moving around in day light.

NVWG is in the process of rebuilding its GT capability. Local (non CAP) politics over the years created a situation where GT fell off the CAP priority list. And due to this we are in serious need of fully qualified GT members and an integrated plan on using GT in the SAR role.

We have never actually sortied a GT during a SAREX as a Ground Team yet. We have been on the ground in the "target" mode. We plan to have enough GT qualified personnel and enough visibility of cadets at the mission base by this summer to fully integrate GTs (with cadets) with the aerial mission.

The issue with the GES inactive....is because the owning commanders are not updating the cadet's Curry in E-Services. So if you don't have the Curry updated....when you print out your 101 card...it shows "inactive" next to your GES. This has been noted several times at the SAREX and the IC waived it in the system.

I don't know anything about people sneaking into the SAREX with out sining in. If that is happening it is not a wide spread thing going on.

JohnKachenmeister · February 19, 2007, 06:02:20 PM

I figured there had to be an explanation, Pat. Thinks for providing one.

swya · February 19, 2007, 06:16:37 PM

unfortunately, lordmonar it has happened several times in sarex's before that one.to what flyerthom said i do have verbal evidence but nothing more

flyerthom · February 19, 2007, 08:28:16 PM

It's more of a problem in Southern NV, In the north there's even a Jeep Squadron. Politics with Clark County led to a lessening of importance to ground teams but there were ground team leaders and qualified cadets when we did the actual missions for the Columbia Parts search several years ago. We need to look outside Clark County for our place or begin to utilize our people for inter-agency liaison.

swya · February 19, 2007, 08:48:18 PM

in northern arizona, kingman, lake havasu, bullhead, and yuma there is no ground team at all and they need udf and they have to call in the phoenix ground team which is 5 hours away. We are only 2 hours away from somewhere that could use us. Why cant we go there

Becks · February 19, 2007, 08:56:53 PM

Quote from: swya on February 19, 2007, 06:47:26 AM
if cc means cadet commander than no, but the commander has to approve you to be ges active

Just an FYI cadet, CC means commander. If it were cadet commander it would be referenced as C/CC.

swya · February 19, 2007, 09:00:35 PM

why are there 2 c's

Al Sayre · February 19, 2007, 09:04:19 PM

Component Commander

eg. SQ/CC Squadron Component Commander
WG/CC Wing Component Commander

etc.

swya · February 19, 2007, 09:06:47 PM

oh ok now all this stuff makes sense

DNall · February 19, 2007, 09:25:15 PM

What is it 20-1 that has the office symbols in it? You should get familiar with some of those.

swya · February 19, 2007, 09:29:29 PM

thank you sir that is something i shall do soon

JohnKachenmeister · February 20, 2007, 12:09:03 AM

Quote from: swya on February 19, 2007, 09:06:47 PM
oh ok now all this stuff makes sense

You're in trouble. I've been in the military and/or CAP since 1963 and it still don't make sense to me.

JohnKachenmeister · February 20, 2007, 12:11:05 AM

Since it makes sense to you, why do people say "Stand fast?"

I have tried several times to stand slow, or stand fast, and no matter what I do I always end up standing at the same speed, which is usually zero.

swya · February 20, 2007, 12:13:31 AM

i meant i get the cc thing

DNall · February 20, 2007, 12:27:18 AM

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on February 20, 2007, 12:11:05 AM
Since it makes sense to you, why do people say "Stand fast?"

I have tried several times to stand slow, or stand fast, and no matter what I do I always end up standing at the same speed, which is usually zero.

I do believe stand fast & hold fast come from nautical terminology, and while I might be mistaken, I believe it started with a command to quickly hold tension on that line (rope).

ZigZag911 · February 20, 2007, 12:56:33 AM

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on February 20, 2007, 12:11:05 AM
Since it makes sense to you, why do people say "Stand fast?"

I have tried several times to stand slow, or stand fast, and no matter what I do I always end up standing at the same speed, which is usually zero.

John, quit pulling the cadet's leg!

By te way, do you ahve a smoke shifter I could borrow??!??