Gold Cadet Lt/Col. Rank

[Senior]

???Saw Gold Colored Cadet Lt/Colonel Rank on ebay.  Seller stated that
it was CAP, even had a CAP sticker on the paper backer.  Just curious.
Has the cadet rank been changed from the silver to gold?  Looked like the
full size metal rank of my cadet days.

[jeders]

???Saw Gold Colored Cadet Lt/Colonel Rank on ebay.  Seller stated that
it was CAP, even had a CAP sticker on the paper backer.  Just curious.
Has the cadet rank been changed from the silver to gold?  Looked like the
full size metal rank of my cadet days.

No, it's still silver. Are you sure it was actually gold and not just tarnished or in poor light that affected the pic?

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The only gold cadet rank insignia I know of is the old cadet flight officer rank (the butter ball) which is no longer used.  All current cadet officer ranks are chrome/silver.  I think that other cadet programs use similar insignia, that's where it may be from.

Can you post a link?

[mikeylikey]

Army ROTC used to use gold on their insignia.  Since they use the same cutouts, I would not be surprised to find it really was ROTC, and not CAP. 

Brings me to a point.  Vanguard makes both Army ROTC rank insignia and CAP rank insignia (officer variants of course).  Perhaps CAP can move to the ARMY ROTC insignia which is exactly the same as what CAP uses, but is smooth on the surface (does not have lines running across the surface).  It would be cheaper as well.  And the ROTC version does come in silver (or black), but subdued won't fly for Cadets I am guessing!

[SSgt Rudin]

not gold, but on vanguard they sell 4 pips under MCJROTC, I think these are great for those c/captains who get into a rut.

"Here you go Captain Schmuckatelli its been over a year and a half since you promoted so we are going to give you a 4th pip, yes you have to wear it. No you can take it off when you get you diamond, now start testing"

[ColonelJack]

Army ROTC used to use gold on their insignia.  Since they use the same cutouts, I would not be surprised to find it really was ROTC, and not CAP. 

According to a website devoted to Army (and other service) rank insignia over the years, there was a time about 35 or so years back when Army ROTC had Cadet Brigadier General and Cadet Major General grades.  One gold diamond was C/BG, two gold diamonds was C/MG.

That was about the time I was in AJROTC, but I don't recall ever seeing such.  Our system's brigade commander (who, incidentally, came from my school!) was a C/COL.

Jack

[Ricochet13]

Army ROTC used to use gold on their insignia.  Since they use the same cutouts, I would not be surprised to find it really was ROTC, and not CAP. 

According to a website devoted to Army (and other service) rank insignia over the years, there was a time about 35 or so years back when Army ROTC had Cadet Brigadier General and Cadet Major General grades.  One gold diamond was C/BG, two gold diamonds was C/MG.

That was about the time I was in AJROTC, but I don't recall ever seeing such.  Our system's brigade commander (who, incidentally, came from my school!) was a C/COL.

Jack

Exactly.  This is when there was a brigade/regimental structure to ROTC (we were 1/20th).  Highest rank in the 60's was c/COL.  Interesting though, I checked my old insignias and have one of each style, both raised and smooth.  Not sure about JROTC though.  As I recalled, the raised insignia was preferred as the rougher surface did not require as much "attention to detail" for inspections. 

[brasda91]

???Saw Gold Colored Cadet Lt/Colonel Rank on ebay.  Seller stated that
it was CAP, even had a CAP sticker on the paper backer.  Just curious.
Has the cadet rank been changed from the silver to gold?  Looked like the
full size metal rank of my cadet days.

I noticed it too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Military-Medal-Civil-Air-Patrol-Lt-Col_yadda_yadda_yadda


Edit: shortened URL  -TA

[dogden]

I was a army ROTC cadet and my diamond is smooth. We also had to pin all of the pips and diamonds separately, so when you became a 1LT, CPT, LTC and COL it became a little harder on the insignia placement.

The corps commander at Texas A&M (whoop!) is a 4 diamond cadet, equivalent to a C/BG.

[SSgt Rudin]

???Saw Gold Colored Cadet Lt/Colonel Rank on ebay.  Seller stated that
it was CAP, even had a CAP sticker on the paper backer.  Just curious.
Has the cadet rank been changed from the silver to gold?  Looked like the
full size metal rank of my cadet days.

I noticed it too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Military-Medal-Civil-Air-Patrol-Lt-Col_yadda_yadda_yadda


Edit: shortened URL  -TA

The sticker on their is the old bookstore sticker. Hummm, maybe someone was bored and got their diamonds gold plated. I kinda wish they had a set of gold c/capt, i would use those instead of 4 pips for my non-promoting c/capt.

[baronet68]

I've got a pair of gold Major diamonds.  Purchased them at a surplus store outside Fort Lewis in the early 90's, they're marked as "CAP C/MAJ" and they have the same sticker too.

[Nathan]

I kinda wish they had a set of gold c/capt, i would use those instead of 4 pips for my non-promoting c/capt.

Huh?

When do we use gold rank?

[afgeo4]

We don't. It's mislabeled AROTC insignia. BTW... why is Army's insignia also made in silver? They wear gold. USAF wears silver. Black was made as pin-on rank for BDUs. Our cadets aren't authorized subdued pin-on rank for BDUs. Neither are our seniors.

[JayT]

We don't. It's mislabeled AROTC insignia. BTW... why is Army's insignia also made in silver? They wear gold. USAF wears silver. Black was made as pin-on rank for BDUs. Our cadets aren't authorized subdued pin-on rank for BDUs. Neither are our seniors.

Pips and diamonds are a common enough insignia. The British Army uses pips and crowns for comissioned officers.

Every Army JROTC and Army ROTC cadet I've seen wears smooth sliver insignia on dress uniform, with black on ACUs.

[mikeylikey]

BTW... why is Army's insignia also made in silver? They wear gold. USAF wears silver. Black was made as pin-on rank for BDUs.

Army ROTC currently uses silver smooth metal diamonds and circles.  They used to (40 years ago) wear gold. 

I think CAP should move to the smooth silver insignia anyway.  Check Vanguard out, they are cheaper than CAP's insignia, and in my opinion look better. 

[JayT]

BTW... why is Army's insignia also made in silver? They wear gold. USAF wears silver. Black was made as pin-on rank for BDUs.

Army ROTC currently uses silver smooth metal diamonds and circles.  They used to (40 years ago) wear gold. 

I think CAP should move to the smooth silver insignia anyway.  Check Vanguard out, they are cheaper than CAP's insignia, and in my opinion look better. 

They look terrible in person. Plus they get destroyed easier.

[mikeylikey]

^ Really, I think they look awesome.  They don't look dirty like the ones CAP uses.

[afgeo4]

BTW... why is Army's insignia also made in silver? They wear gold. USAF wears silver. Black was made as pin-on rank for BDUs.

Army ROTC currently uses silver smooth metal diamonds and circles.  They used to (40 years ago) wear gold. 

I think CAP should move to the smooth silver insignia anyway.  Check Vanguard out, they are cheaper than CAP's insignia, and in my opinion look better. 

They look terrible in person. Plus they get destroyed easier.

Most cadets get promoted within 4 months and the metal insignia is only worn on blues, which are usually worn once or twice a month, so... 8 days of wear per cadet per set of insignia? I don't think durability is such an issue here. I think price always is since cadets don't usually have high paying jobs.

[SarDragon]

It's probably what happens to them when they're not on the uniform that tears them up.