[quote/] The Delay isn't Civil Air Patrol, the delay is the Air Force because I think they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be.  The Air Force says it takes years to process this kind of request.  Civil Air Patrol has made the request.  The ball is no longer in our court.
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That's a fair answer and most likely the truth.

Quote from: SierraOneThree on May 15, 2024, 08:04:19 PMVanguard, last I heard.

FRAK Vanguard. 

They'll just up charge the cost of a uniform that can be bought for a third less online elsewhere. 

Quote from: Fubar on Today at 10:58:41 AMWell, the CEO and his vice commander (and soon to be CEO) keep answering the question at wing conferences across the country and people keep posting what they say, so they don't seem to be treating the information like a secret. I also just checked, Vanguard is still selling ABUs, so there shouldn't be any members who can't get ABUs if they want/need them.

More than their fair share of anecdotes reporting severe backorders.

Also, they're pretty much the ONLY real "consistent" place to get ABUs, and you get to pay nearly $130 for a full set. You can save a few bucks by not getting a patrol cap though. Going to encampment and need a second set of ABUs? Good luck!

Quote from: SierraOneThree on Today at 03:11:29 AMThe Air Force approved it ages ago, from what I understand direct from the NUC chair as of late last year. OCPs are a given and everyone involved knows it, the only thing I can think of as far as going back to make them review it again was the addition of brown boots a few months back. But now I'm hearing the uniform has once again been pushed out a year or two, so some transparency would be nice given how many squadrons/members simply cannot get ABUs anymore.

Well, the CEO and his vice commander (and soon to be CEO) keep answering the question at wing conferences across the country and people keep posting what they say, so they don't seem to be treating the information like a secret. I also just checked, Vanguard is still selling ABUs, so there shouldn't be any members who can't get ABUs if they want/need them.

Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on Yesterday at 09:35:26 PMI don't doubt you're right, but I don't see why they have to buy them until the final phaseout date. Let VG sell them until then, just direct no new orders. They kept selling BDU clothing and ultramarine items on closeout for years. I'm sure some clever fellow with a mind for retail analytics can determine exactly when to stop producing/stocking the ABU stuff as the OCPs come out.

Because the second you say ABUs are on the way out and here's where to buy the new uniform, the demand for the discontinued uniform is gonna drop to near zero. At least that's what happened with the BDU to ABU transition. I doubt Vanguard is willing (and likely isn't contractually obligated) to sit on ABU inventory for the five year phase-out of ABUs to then have CAP purchase wasn't sold.

So the goal is to have the inventory as low as possible so that CAP buys the minimal amount of uniforms as possible to then, presumably, throw away.

Quote from: SARDOC on Yesterday at 04:30:51 AMThe Delay isn't Civil Air Patrol, the delay is the Air Force because I think they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be.  The Air Force says it takes years to process this kind of request.  Civil Air Patrol has made the request.  The ball is no longer in our court.

The Air Force approved it ages ago, from what I understand direct from the NUC chair as of late last year. OCPs are a given and everyone involved knows it, the only thing I can think of as far as going back to make them review it again was the addition of brown boots a few months back. But now I'm hearing the uniform has once again been pushed out a year or two, so some transparency would be nice given how many squadrons/members simply cannot get ABUs anymore.

Quote from: Fubar on Yesterday at 07:34:41 PM

Quote from: SierraOneThree on May 15, 2024, 08:04:19 PMVanguard, last I heard.

Vanguard is a piece of the puzzle. Even when the Air Force eventually gives permissions, CAP has to plan the transition around how much stock of ABU stuff Vanguard has. As soon as CAP announces the phase out of ABUs, CAP has to purchase whatever remaining stock of ABU items Vanguard has so that they don't end up with product they can't sell.

I don't doubt you're right, but I don't see why they have to buy them until the final phaseout date. Let VG sell them until then, just direct no new orders. They kept selling BDU clothing and ultramarine items on closeout for years. I'm sure some clever fellow with a mind for retail analytics can determine exactly when to stop producing/stocking the ABU stuff as the OCPs come out.

Quote from: SierraOneThree on May 15, 2024, 08:04:19 PMVanguard, last I heard.

Vanguard is a piece of the puzzle. Even when the Air Force eventually gives permissions, CAP has to plan the transition around how much stock of ABU stuff Vanguard has. As soon as CAP announces the phase out of ABUs, CAP has to purchase whatever remaining stock of ABU items Vanguard has so that they don't end up with product they can't sell.

Quote from: Shuman 14 on May 15, 2024, 04:28:57 PM

Quote from: Matthew Klempner on May 14, 2024, 07:13:23 PMfew years from now.

 

Seriously, there's no need to delay. The COVID-19 shortages are over. The Army (AC, RC, NG), the Air Force (AC, RC, NG) and the Space Force (AC, RC, NG) have ALL completed their transitions to OCPs. The uniform is readily available from AAFES and numerous commercial vendors.

So why the delay?

The Delay isn't Civil Air Patrol, the delay is the Air Force because I think they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be.  The Air Force says it takes years to process this kind of request.  Civil Air Patrol has made the request.  The ball is no longer in our court.

Quote from: NIN on April 13, 2024, 03:09:49 PMPhotoshop to the rescue!

I once Photoshopped a name onto a certificate after an Of-The-Year Award was presented without the person's name. Photos were already taken, and there was no chance to repair the situation. So I put it into Adobe and even made the glass frame reflect appear over the text. As good as new!