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Started by Hoorah, December 20, 2009, 01:48:14 AM

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EMT-83

Quote from: raivo on February 15, 2010, 11:41:55 PM
You kids and your user-friendly Linux distributions.

When I was your age, I had to boot into DOS from a floppy, manually edit my partition table, then spend all night downloading installation packages over my 56K modem!

(Yes, I actually did that. Oh, and I screwed up the partition table on the family computer. That went over really well.)
You had a 56K modem? Sweet.

IceNine

Heh.  I'm clocking more than that on my droid right now.

I can't believe I was productive on the web w/ those speeds
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

Eclipse

#62
Quote from: IceNine on February 16, 2010, 02:08:16 AM
Heh.  I'm clocking more than that on my droid right now.

I can't believe I was productive on the web w/ those speeds

Sadly, very little of what today's broadband speeds have brought us makes us more "productive" - with the exception of
some of the more advanced web services you and I are playing with, most people are still passing the same crap over email -
e-cards, wacky / poignant / political rumors with 100Mb of forwarding addresses, and then there's this Social crap.

The only difference is that email is now about 95% junk, and the routers don't block 15GB video attachments anymore.

"That Others May Zoom"

vmstan

Kind of cynical about the direction of technology, eh Eclipse?
MICHAEL M STANCLIFT, 1st Lt, CAP
Public Affairs Officer, NCR-KS-055, Heartland Squadron

Quote"I wish to compliment NHQ on this extremely well and clearly written regulation.
This publication once and for all should establish the uniform pattern to be followed
throughout Civil Air Patrol."

1949 Uniform and Insignia Committee comment on CAP Reg 35-4

Eclipse

#64
Quote from: Marshalus on February 16, 2010, 05:44:36 AM
Kind of cynical about the direction of technology, eh Eclipse?

Yes.  It what comes from nearly 20 years of dealing with vaporware and repackaged junk from essentially the same 10 vendors.

The only place there has been anything exciting in the last 10 has been the Googlesphere, and even that is basically a step backwards
to the centralized computing of 20 years ago.

My statements about the percentage of spam email aren't cynical, they are accepted fact as published by Microsoft and others.  Its just Fax poop from 20 years ago in a new form.  "Social Media" is "technology" its just an application.  WiMax is Technology.

I'm the guy that everyone calls when all the "new!" "neat!" "fun!" "Exciting!" stuff breaks, bends, and "evils" people's machines.  Somehow, with only an antivirus and common sense, I can keep my machines clean, yet less-educated users with 3 anti-malware apps and 4 anti-virus layers still get infected and become bots.

Why?

Ecards, Facebook, MySpace, and all those "wacky emails".

"That Others May Zoom"

raivo

Quote from: Eclipse on February 16, 2010, 03:10:19 PMSomehow, with only an antivirus and common sense, I can keep my machines clean, yet less-educated users with 3 anti-malware apps and 4 anti-virus layers still get infected and become bots.

Why?

Ecards, Facebook, MySpace, and all those "wacky emails".

Um.

That's like saying cars are are a nuisance because people go street-racing in them.


CAP Member, 2000-20??
USAF Officer, 2009-2018
Recipient of a Mitchell Award Of Irrelevant Number

"No combat-ready unit has ever passed inspection. No inspection-ready unit has ever survived combat."

Eclipse

#66
Quote from: raivo on February 17, 2010, 01:00:31 AM
Um.

That's like saying cars are are a nuisance because people go street-racing in them.

If 95% of the traffic on city street was racing, and said racing clogged the ability for proper use of the streets, I'd say it was an apt comparison.  Since they aren't, the comparison is not valid.

"That Others May Zoom"

CDCTF

#67
Williams, I'll bring a copy of Xubuntu, (which is the copy of Ubuntu designed specifically for low-spec/older computers), to the next meeting. Honestly I think this will be your best bet. Make sure to bring your laptop on Tuesday so I can test it by booting the live CD. Do you have an intel or amd processor.
C/SSgt. Fagrell

vmstan

Quote from: cadetTF on February 18, 2010, 02:41:21 PM
Williams, I'll bring a copy of Xubuntu, (which is the copy of Ubuntu designed specifically for low-spec/older computers), to the next meeting. Honestly I think this will be your best bet. Make sure to bring your laptop on Tuesday so I can test it by booting the live CD. Do you have an intel or amd processor.
C/SSgt. Fagrell

Excellent, that is exactly what I was going to send him.

I don't think the process will make much of a difference, the big issue is going to be if it has enough RAM to even load the installer.
MICHAEL M STANCLIFT, 1st Lt, CAP
Public Affairs Officer, NCR-KS-055, Heartland Squadron

Quote"I wish to compliment NHQ on this extremely well and clearly written regulation.
This publication once and for all should establish the uniform pattern to be followed
throughout Civil Air Patrol."

1949 Uniform and Insignia Committee comment on CAP Reg 35-4

CDCTF

He only needs 192mb of RAM, which I hope he has, if not, I have a copy of XP we can try out. I've gotten that to install and run well on as little as 128mb. I'll know better when I can look at his specs....I might even have some old RAM sitting around.

jimmydeanno

I have a Pentium III Windows 95 desktop that I'm using as a print server in my house.  It came with 128Mb RAM so I put an additional 256 in it a few years ago.  It's running XP Pro right now like a champ.  It has a copy of Office 2000, Photoshop, Chrome, etc, as well as a current anti-virus.  It runs fine.

There really isn't any reason that he shouldn't be able to upgrade his OS on this machine with a minor investment in some yard sale SDRAM.  Open Office, Gimp, Chrome, etc should all run just fine.

 
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

Eclipse

Chrome, I don't know.  Its pretty memory heavy.  Its my browser of choice, but it also tends to be a resource hog.

As I write this Chrome is using almost a GB of RAM, though I have several extensions loaded and 8 tabs running.

"That Others May Zoom"

vmstan

It's a lot better than Firefox at memory usage, that is for sure.

As far as the laptop, getting to 192 may be harder then it seems. I can remember my machines as far back as 2001 only having 128MB in them, and that was high-end. You may be able to use the old text based installer to get the OS installed, if it has less.

I have Xubuntu 9.10 installed on a year old laptop with 2GB of ram, dual core, and a 64GB solid state HD. Boots up from cold to ready use in about 10 seconds flat.
MICHAEL M STANCLIFT, 1st Lt, CAP
Public Affairs Officer, NCR-KS-055, Heartland Squadron

Quote"I wish to compliment NHQ on this extremely well and clearly written regulation.
This publication once and for all should establish the uniform pattern to be followed
throughout Civil Air Patrol."

1949 Uniform and Insignia Committee comment on CAP Reg 35-4

Hoorah

Here is specs of my windows 98. It will be in several phases.
Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
Upgrade using Full OEM CD /SrcDir=C:\WIN98 /IQ /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
IE 5 6.0.2800.1106
Uptime: 0:05:04:13
Normal mode
On "I5I7E7" as "user"

GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 3
256MB RAM
65% system resources free
Windows-managed swap file on drive C (4081MB free)
Available space on drive C: 4081MB of 5703MB (FAT32)
____________________________________________
It has some system errors don't no why?
But the computer does run.
I currently run Opera Internet Browser.
I do not have Java installed.
I have trend Micro VP installed.
____________________________
More specs to come.

Hoorah

Operating System       System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.2222)
System Locale: English (United States)       Compaq Armada M700
System Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Chassis Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Enclosure Type: Notebook
Processor a       Main Circuit Board b
650 megahertz Intel Pentium III
32 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded       Board: Compaq 0538
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Compaq 1.35 12/01/1999
Drives       Memory Modules c,d
5.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
4.24 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

Compaq DVD-ROM SD-C2402 [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5")

HITACHI_DK23AA-60 [Hard drive] (6.01 GB) -- drive 0, s/n H70906, rev 00XEA0H0, SMART Status: Healthy       256 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM #1: J18' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #2: J19' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #3: J20' has 128 MB
   Local Drive Volumes
            
c: (FAT32 on drive 0)   5.98 GB   4.24 GB free

   Network Drives
   None detected
Users (mouse over user name for details)       Printers
WORKGROUP domain logons
user   1/5/80 12:11:41 PM   
       None detected
Controllers       Display
Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)       RAGE MOBILITY-P AGP (English) [Display adapter]
Default Monitor (2x)
Bus Adapters       Multimedia
Texas Instruments PCI-1450 CardBus Controller (2x)
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller       ESS Device Manager
ESS Multi-Device Enumerator
Gameport Joystick (no joystick connected)
Maestro DOS Games/FM Devices
Maestro MPU401 Devices
Maestro Wave / WaveTable Synthesis Devices
Virus Protection [Back to Top]       new Group Policies
No details available       None discovered
Communications       Other Devices
Lucent Win Modem
      
Intel(R) PRO/100+ MiniPCI
primary     Auto IP Address:    192.168.2.4 / 24
   Gateway:    192.168.2.1
   Dhcp Server:    192.168.2.1
   Physical Address:    00:D0:59:10:1C:C2
SMC IrCC (Infrared Communications Controller)

Networking Dns Servers:    192.168.2.1
209.18.47.61
209.18.47.62
       Infrared Communication Device
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
USB Root Hub
More to come.

Eclipse

That's actually a fairly respectable machine - it should run Windows 2000 or Linux without too much problem.

The ram and drive space are an issue, but you could probably scrounge a 30Gb from someone's trash pile.
256 is fine, though more would be better.  With three SIMM slots 384 is probably the max.

I'm getting ready to give my kids a couple of notebooks with those basic specs.

"That Others May Zoom"

Eclipse

#76
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/compaqarmadam700/



Says max ram is 576 MB, which should be fine.

"That Others May Zoom"

Hoorah

Quote from: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 08:15:10 PM
Operating System       System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.2222)
System Locale: English (United States)       Compaq Armada M700
System Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Chassis Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Enclosure Type: Notebook
Processor a       Main Circuit Board b
650 megahertz Intel Pentium III
32 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded       Board: Compaq 0538
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Compaq 1.35 12/01/1999
Drives       Memory Modules c,d
5.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
4.24 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

Compaq DVD-ROM SD-C2402 [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5")

HITACHI_DK23AA-60 [Hard drive] (6.01 GB) -- drive 0, s/n H70906, rev 00XEA0H0, SMART Status: Healthy       256 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM #1: J18' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #2: J19' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #3: J20' has 128 MB
   Local Drive Volumes
            
c: (FAT32 on drive 0)   5.98 GB   4.24 GB free

   Network Drives
   None detected
Users (mouse over user name for details)       Printers
WORKGROUP domain logons
user   1/5/80 12:11:41 PM   
       None detected
Controllers       Display
Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)       RAGE MOBILITY-P AGP (English) [Display adapter]
Default Monitor (2x)
Bus Adapters       Multimedia
Texas Instruments PCI-1450 CardBus Controller (2x)
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller       ESS Device Manager
ESS Multi-Device Enumerator
Gameport Joystick (no joystick connected)
Maestro DOS Games/FM Devices
Maestro MPU401 Devices
Maestro Wave / WaveTable Synthesis Devices
Virus Protection [Back to Top]       new Group Policies
No details available       None discovered
Communications       Other Devices
Lucent Win Modem
      
Intel(R) PRO/100+ MiniPCI
primary     Auto IP Address:    192.168.2.4 / 24
   Gateway:    192.168.2.1
   Dhcp Server:    192.168.2.1
   Physical Address:    00:D0:59:10:1C:C2
SMC IrCC (Infrared Communications Controller)

Networking Dns Servers:    192.168.2.1
209.18.47.61
209.18.47.62
       Infrared Communication Device
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
USB Root Hub
More to come.
Operating System       System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.2222)
System Locale: English (United States)       Compaq Armada M700

Hoorah

Quote from: cadetTF on February 18, 2010, 02:41:21 PM
Williams, I'll bring a copy of Xubuntu, (which is the copy of Ubuntu designed specifically for low-spec/older computers), to the next meeting. Honestly I think this will be your best bet. Make sure to bring your laptop on Tuesday so I can test it by booting the live CD. Do you have an intel or amd processor.
C/SSgt. Fagrell
Um I have  Intel Sgt and I will bring it in sgt Tuesday if we have it again weather pending.

Hoorah

Quote from: Eclipse on February 18, 2010, 08:23:42 PM
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/compaqarmadam700/



Says max ram is 576 MB, which should be fine.
Well we bought the computer used like 2 years ago with what it had it use't to have Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro Windows NT Workstation 4.0. I do not know why the person did that. Few Keys fell of.