eServices Lock Out for Incomplete Safety Education

[Spaceman3750]

I was just notified when I logged into eServices today that when my safety education expires in 15 days I will be locked out of eServices. This is apparently a new policy being implemented in May. My question is where did it come from?

Also, it appears that it will pop up every time you log in for 15 days before your safety currency expires. Which means I have to click through that stupid box every time I log in for every day I log in for half the month (assuming I don't get it done before then). It's just a click, but it's annoying none the less.

[arajca]

OK. Next time you log in, go to the online safety training, pick a topic, and complete it. You're now compliant and the nag box goes away.

[kmbarnes1]

So If you get locked out eServices...how can you take these safety courses online that are supposted make up for missed Safety meetings?

[SarDragon]

So If you get locked out eServices...how can you take these safety courses online that are supposted make up for missed Safety meetings?

Get a face-to-face safety briefing at your unit, and have your commander enter it.

[arajca]

So If you get locked out eServices...how can you take these safety courses online that are supposted make up for missed Safety meetings?

Well, according to the OP, you get a 15 day warning. So you have half the month to do the training before you get locked out. If you wait until you are locked out, you'll have to get your behind to a safety training and have the presenter log it for you. And until you do that, you cannot do ANY CAP activities - including regular meetings. The only CAP activity you can do is attend a safety meeting.

[RADIOMAN015]

I was just notified when I logged into eServices today that when my safety education expires in 15 days I will be locked out of eServices. This is apparently a new policy being implemented in May. My question is where did it come from?

Also, it appears that it will pop up every time you log in for 15 days before your safety currency expires. Which means I have to click through that stupid box every time I log in for every day I log in for half the month (assuming I don't get it done before then). It's just a click, but it's annoying none the less.

Wow, I better make sure the unit safety officer is inputing the safety briefings I've attended.  Will have to check.  Surely locking someone out of e services is just a great way of punishing members isn't it and than they have to go to the unit    

Apparently CAP can't trust unit commander's to do the right thing and must now punish the individual member directly.  Again I'd like to know what regulation allows them specifically to deny access to a member to change information or get information in e services
RM

   

[jks19714]

At some point, CAP HQ is going to see squadrons going from operational to non-operational due to Scoggin's Law of Volunteerism, which states that "The mutual forces of action and reaction between two bodies (volunteers and administrators) are unequal, opposite and exponential".

Eventually volunteers will simply give up trying to deal with the adminitrivia and revolt.  Most folks simply quit and find something more rewarding to do.  A few write Congressionals and the wrath of DC is evoked, bringing temporary relief sometimes. 

One can only hope for a sudden unexpected onslaught of sanity.

- john

[tsrup]

how you spend the time it takes to complain about it here to just get safety current?.....

[wuzafuzz]

I wish this was just a late April Fool's joke. Safety is a great goal, we should be living it.  But this is getting a little crazy. 

Locking folks out of eServices because they missed the last meeting where we discussed FOOD safety is absurd.  Or how about the presentation on bicycle safety.  Someone tell me, with a straight face, that makes me a safer CUL or mission scanner.  Seriously. 

What's sad is some members took all the online safety courses before realizing they will all expire at the same time.  Doing so didn't cover them for the next year.  They will be locked out of CAP if they don't attend a squadron meeting while we talk about Internet safety or some other such thing.

By now many of you are wondering about the choice of topics.  There are only so many different ways to talk about obvious topics like weather, situational awareness, proper planning, field safety, etc.  It's not like we just started talking about safety, we've been doing it for years.  After a while we need something fresh for our obligatory safety presentation.

Cadets need a little more "attention" IMHO.  My 17 year old son like to joke that teens are "old enough to know better, but young enough to do it anyway."  There is some truth to that.  The problem is it seems like CAP is treating all of us like children.

[RADIOMAN015]

how you spend the time it takes to complain about it here to just get safety current?.....

We have an active safety program in the squadron & I attend the briefings.  As another said some members took all the on line safety training and it all expires at one time since they weren't warned at the time properly.

Again, what gives them the authority to lock active members out of e services so they can't conduct ANY CAP business (including taking an on line test) .    Also If you miss 3 safety briefings does that mean you can only take two on line and the third you have to sit down with your safety officer for a personal briefing

Hey, I'm all for safety but the BS level has gotten way to high on this.     Safety Officers are having to spend a lot of time on preparing these briefings.  Again the subjects for the monthly briefing needs to be prepared by the PAID STAFFER at National HQ, and be downloadable to the various safety officers for presentation.  Perhaps with some choices available based upon the season & activity.   Our safety officer in my opinion does a good job, but the reality of it is that a simple 1 paper two side handout on an APPLICABLE safety matter in CAP would accomplish the same thing versus 5, 10, 15 power point slides that have to be prepared.

Again I think much more emphasis needs to be placed on specific ORM analysis and safety briefing BEFORE an activity starts, especially those activities in which our stats show more injuries occur.
RM
       

[RVT]

Again the subjects for the monthly briefing needs to be prepared by the PAID STAFFER at National HQ, and be downloadable to the various safety officers for presentation.  Perhaps with some choices available based upon the season & activity.

Did you actually just come up with a good idea?

[Nolan Teel]

Again the subjects for the monthly briefing needs to be prepared by the PAID STAFFER at National HQ, and be downloadable to the various safety officers for presentation.  Perhaps with some choices available based upon the season & activity.

Did you actually just come up with a good idea?

Wheres the like button.

[arBar]

I'm all for safety awareness, accountability, and motivating members to stay active.  But like others have said, this just felt wrong.

[jks19714]

IMHO, e-Services should just dump you into a list of safety courses once you "expire" and let you complete one of them prior to proceeding to the main menu.  It can't be that hard, they do it when new members login for the first time and they need to take OPSEC before proceeding any further.

john

[Thom]

IMHO, e-Services should just dump you into a list of safety courses once you "expire" and let you complete one of them prior to proceeding to the main menu.  It can't be that hard, they do it when new members login for the first time and they need to take OPSEC before proceeding any further.

john

Bingo!

This cannot be that hard to code, and it is a sensible course of action.

Login complete, simple check: Safety Expired? Go directly to Online Safety Education, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.

Simple and logical, so how do we get this idea up the line to NHQ's eServices mavens?


Thom

[Pylon]

Simple and logical, so how do we get this idea up the line to NHQ's eServices mavens?

The safety briefing I just took on E-Services encouraged all safety ideas to be emailed directly to the NHQ volunteer-side safety guy, Col Diduch, at safety@capnhq.gov.

[RADIOMAN015]

Simple and logical, so how do we get this idea up the line to NHQ's eServices mavens?

The safety briefing I just took on E-Services encouraged all safety ideas to be emailed directly to the NHQ volunteer-side safety guy, Col Diduch, at safety@capnhq.gov.

Sort of like letting the fox into the chicken coop huh   Don't you think he is probably one of the people who are behind this eservices lock out program    Also wouldn't you think that someone/anyone with that amount of time and experience in CAP would pretty much come to the same conclusion, that volunteers may not have the time to prepare safety briefings each month and do need help from a paid professional staff (BTW the HQ CAP-USAF Safety Officer actually said at a board meeting that they would help CAP with the safety aspect) 

I'd also be interested in what notification is being given to someone who doesn't sign into eservices but only once a month.  Are they getting an email.  If they don't have email is the commander getting a notification about it, etc, etc,.
RM

[jks19714]

I'd also be interested in what notification is being given to someone who doesn't sign into eservices but only once a month.  Are they getting an email.  If they don't have email is the commander getting a notification about it, etc, etc,.
RM

The sign-in roster at our weekly squadron meeting has a column for whether you are in-/out- of safety compliance.

john

[Pylon]

Don't you think he is probably one of the people who are behind this eservices lock out program    Also wouldn't you think that someone/anyone with that amount of time and experience in CAP would pretty much come to the same conclusion, that volunteers may not have the time to prepare safety briefings each month and do need help from a paid professional staff (BTW the HQ CAP-USAF Safety Officer actually said at a board meeting that they would help CAP with the safety aspect) 

If you're given the opportunity to send your idea or suggestion to the key person and choose not to because you've already mentally written somebody off without knowing anything about them, then don't keep complaining here.

[jks19714]

This email just sent to NHQ Safety:

Sir –

Has NHQ considered the possibility of simply forwarding members logging into e-Services to a safety course selection screen as opposed to having the "nag" pop-up when you are 15 days from expiration?  With the timing of our squadron's monthly safety brief, it is a little annoying.  CAP already does this type of thing to require new members to complete OPSEC prior to any other activity on e-Services.

Very respectfully,

John Scoggin
SM, MER-DE-008