Quote from: GroundHawg on Yesterday at 06:51:20 PMI am assuming National as it pertains to a design patent

Yeah, check CAPR 110-3 and CAPR 900-2 as far as CAP corporate emblems and their usage is concerned. Vanguard and other retailers aren't going to be any use, they just print and manufacture what they're given.

If you need any help, the History section at NHQ has two emails and a phone number published on the NHQ contacts page on their website.

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Quote from: SierraOneThree on Yesterday at 04:40:19 PMThere are numerous heraldry organizations/units. Which are you needing?

I am assuming National as it pertains to a design patent

Design patent of what?   CAP Regulation 110-3, 25 January 2021 covers the CAP Heraldry Program, maybe your answer is in there.

Google's top answer for "Institute of Heraldry" is one run by the U.S. Army and does have a contact email address prominently shared. Is that who you're looking for?

I'm afraid the way you posed your question and then answered "national" for what organization you're looking for is making it difficult to understand who you're actually looking for.

Quote from: SierraOneThree on Yesterday at 04:40:19 PMThere are numerous heraldry organizations/units. Which are you needing?

I am assuming National as it pertains to a design patent

There are numerous heraldry organizations/units. Which are you needing?

Vanguard is not helping I dont know if its a language barrier or if they are intentionally being obtuse ... Does anyone have a POC for the IOH that I can reach out to please?

Quote from: Fubar on May 19, 2024, 11:00:15 AMOf course the issue would be getting the USAF to sign off one giving up their bureaucracy and pre-approving CAP to get uniforms. That doesn't seem like something a bureaucracy would do.

For some reason, that line made me think of Sir Humphrey Appleby from the BBC political comedy Yes, Prime Minister.  It's just a line Sir Humphrey would say.

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Quote from: Shuman 14 on May 18, 2024, 07:32:29 PMAgain, this is why we need to put a clause in CAPR 39-1 that within 5-years of any uniform change by the USAF, it will be adopted, with appropriate CAP modification, by CAP.

Of course the issue would be getting the USAF to sign off one giving up their bureaucracy and pre-approving CAP to get uniforms. That doesn't seem like something a bureaucracy would do.

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Quote from: Shuman 14 on May 18, 2024, 07:37:37 PMThe Delay isn't Civil Air Patrol, the delay is the Air Force because I think they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be.  The Air Force says it takes years to process this kind of request.  Civil Air Patrol has made the request.  The ball is no longer in our court.

That's a fair answer and most likely the truth.

I have consistent spoken with people directly involved with the draft and working committees and to a T they all pretty much have told me over the years that aside from DLA, it makes its way through the CAP-USAF approval fairly quickly. That said, I understand we had DLA approval early last year, so the word that I got about it being Vanguard (from the NUC chair last year) seems most plausible unless they keep changing things after approval.

One of those changes being brown boots though? Yeah, I'm fine with that one having delayed things.

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That's a fair answer and most likely the truth.