do you need to pass everything to pass pt?

[coudano]

If your squadron doesn't currently offer the shuttle run, they (might) not have the materials on hand needed to do the exercise (or at least do it efficiently with a lot of cadets)
it might go a LONG WAY to getting them to offer it, if you do some of the leg work.

Taking the initiative is not going to hurt their general impression of you either...

You will need:

• Two blocks (we just took a 2x6 board and chopped it off to make 2 blocks)(wrap them in duct tape too)
  --should measure about 2x2x4 but practically speaking, maybe a little bigger than that
• Something that is 30 feet long for easy measurement (maybe a 50' tape measure; maybe a length of rope, but be careful because rope stretches over time)
• A stop watch (wristwatches can work but an actual stopwatch will be better)
• some way to mark the start and finish line too, for resetting...  we use 4 orange cones

All of this is in capp 52-18
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P052_018_501C183A14D19.pdf

[ElectricPenguin]

If your squadron doesn't currently offer the shuttle run, they (might) not have the materials on hand needed to do the exercise (or at least do it efficiently with a lot of cadets)
it might go a LONG WAY to getting them to offer it, if you do some of the leg work.

Taking the initiative is not going to hurt their general impression of you either...

You will need:

• Two blocks (we just took a 2x6 board and chopped it off to make 2 blocks)(wrap them in duct tape too)
  --should measure about 2x2x4 but practically speaking, maybe a little bigger than that
• Something that is 30 feet long for easy measurement (maybe a 50' tape measure; maybe a length of rope, but be careful because rope stretches over time)
• A stop watch (wristwatches can work but an actual stopwatch will be better)
• some way to mark the start and finish line too, for resetting...  we use 4 orange cones

All of this is in capp 52-18
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P052_018_501C183A14D19.pdf

We did offer the shuttle run before just a month or so ago, now we don't.

[AirAux]

Your unit should offer the shuttle run each pt testing time.  Some units are hard kewl and stop a lot of cadets from promotion by not offering the shuttle run.  This is not according to the Reg's and could get the commander in trouble.

[davidsinn]

Your unit should offer the shuttle run each pt testing time.  Some units are hard kewl and stop a lot of cadets from promotion by not offering the shuttle run.  This is not according to the Reg's and could get the commander in trouble.

My unit only offers shuttle run if a cadet failed the mile. That way they get two shots at the run requirement, but if they pass the mile we don't waste the time on it.

[a2capt]

I wouldn't call it a 'waste' of time, if there is a cadet that can utilize that opportunity to advance. We have a couple that do prefer it, and score better than the mile run percentage wise, with it. We offer it at the cadets disposal, not the other way around. Occasionally we've had to do only the shuttle run when the rare time that weather in southern California dictates PT is an indoor activity. IOW, if one cadet out of 40 needs it, and asks, we'll measure it out and set it up. Usually a few others will just participate too so that one isn't alone.

[davidsinn]

I wouldn't call it a 'waste' of time, if there is a cadet that can utilize that opportunity to advance. We have a couple that do prefer it, and score better than the mile run percentage wise, with it. We offer it at the cadets disposal, not the other way around. Occasionally we've had to do only the shuttle run when the rare time that weather in southern California dictates PT is an indoor activity. IOW, if one cadet out of 40 needs it, and asks, we'll measure it out and set it up. Usually a few others will just participate too so that one isn't alone.

That's what we do. If everyone passes the mile there is no point to setting it up. If one person fails the mile and passes 2/3 of the other requirements then the tape measure comes out and they get a shot at the shuttle run.

[a2capt]

We do take it one step further though, one step different maybe?  - It's offered from the start. For those who know they would rather do this, than that- as this has a better result for them. Why make them bust a move for the mile run that may be futile at that point in the game. Perhaps you'd do it to if you knew come PT night that such and such cadet will likely pass this vs. that.

Perhaps there is something that can be done to facilitate setting up in the future, too. Such as seeing that two joints in a curb line are the right distance,  or X parking stalls, the gap between the parking stall header and the beginning of the divider line on the opposite row, etc.  Then it's just a matter of dropping two cones and two blocks. "Here, go."

We tend to do the running first, as that is the make or break part of it, too.

I'm not trying to argue, though it may appear that way.   This method of execution works well for us, obviously every situation is different.

[davidsinn]

We do take it one step further though, one step different maybe?  - It's offered from the start. For those who know they would rather do this, than that- as this has a better result for them. Why make them bust a move for the mile run that may be futile at that point in the game. Perhaps you'd do it to if you knew come PT night that such and such cadet will likely pass this vs. that.

Perhaps there is something that can be done to facilitate setting up in the future, too. Such as seeing that two joints in a curb line are the right distance,  or X parking stalls, the gap between the parking stall header and the beginning of the divider line on the opposite row, etc.  Then it's just a matter of dropping two cones and two blocks. "Here, go."

We tend to do the running first, as that is the make or break part of it, too.

I'm not trying to argue, though it may appear that way.   This method of execution works well for us, obviously every situation is different.

I hear what you are saying. We use a gym floor at the local fitness center and there are no lines that fall at the proper mark. Everyone knows that the shuttle run is available so they don't kill themselves on the mile. Making them run the mile is actually doing more for them to get in shape than the shuttle does because it's aerobic vs anaerobic for the shuttle. I have no problem setting it up if it needs to be but if we can get everyone passed without it I'd prefer to use that time for some drill practice during the winter while we have the large heated area at our disposal. It's not such a big deal in the summer when it's warm enough to drill on any night back at the airport.

[NC Hokie]

I wouldn't call it a 'waste' of time, if there is a cadet that can utilize that opportunity to advance. We have a couple that do prefer it, and score better than the mile run percentage wise, with it. We offer it at the cadets disposal, not the other way around. Occasionally we've had to do only the shuttle run when the rare time that weather in southern California dictates PT is an indoor activity. IOW, if one cadet out of 40 needs it, and asks, we'll measure it out and set it up. Usually a few others will just participate too so that one isn't alone.

We go the opposite route at my squadron, shuttle first, then the mile, and everyone does both.  We do the shuttle first because:

1) Most cadets do not fare well if they do the shuttle run after the mile run;
2) Cadets that fail know they have to push it in the mile run to pass their CPFT; and
3) Cadets that pass can be assigned as "rabbits" to help those that must pass the mile run.

Seems to work well for us.

[coudano]

We offer both every month, at the same time.
Go to the one you want.
Incidentally it takes about the same time to run several cadets through the shuttle as a typical mile time.

For the rare fail, or the rarer ones who want to do both every time, we work the exceptions in before the end of mtg