Just curious...
Can we now also put "USCAP" on flight suit leather nametags rather than "CAP"?
Do we sign "USCAP" instead of just "CAP" now, as in "Joe Shmoe, 2d Lt, USCAP"?
Quote from: NAYBOR on April 23, 2007, 03:41:20 AM
Just curious...
Can we now also put "USCAP" on flight suit leather nametags rather than "CAP"?
Do we sign "USCAP" instead of just "CAP" now, as in "Joe Shmoe, 2d Lt, USCAP"?
That's a good question... a good question that I don't know the answer to.
[cue dramatic music]
Sounds like a question for the omniscient CAP Knowledgebase!Seriously though, other than the fact that the National Commander mentioned in his comments that U.S. Civil Air Patrol was going to become a new "moniker" for us, there has been no formal notice of change for official usages of "Civil Air Patrol" or "CAP". I'd keep with the old unless further changes are specifically addressed from above.
Take a look at the patch you're wearing on the flight suit....
Oh no. Just don't do it anytime soon and give us plenty of warning, OK? Those things aren't cheap...
Quote from: RiverAux on April 23, 2007, 03:48:03 AM
Take a look at the patch you're wearing on the flight suit....
It says
Tom Cooper
Flight Nurse
Oh sorry - wrong flight suit :-[
According to the word I got this weekend from VAnguard at the MNWG Conference the "US" is being added to the name tags for the Corporate Service Dress.
Word was that Maj Gen Pineda authorized thme last week at the TXWG conf 2 weekends ago.
They were there taking orders for the nametags.
So folks if you wear the new uniform be ready to shell out for new nametags.
*sighs*...
I think these changes are brought to the forefront, and passed without any real consideration into their affects and logistical issues.
Look at the TPU...3 policy letters already and the dust still hasn't cleared...and by the way, what type of skirt is going with it? Oh...maybe I'll make a service coat for it now...
I think we'll change the name of the organization...new BDU tapes for everyone! Oh wait...we have to change letterhead too? I hadn't thought of that...Oh wait, the name tags have to change too? I hadn't thought of that...Oh wait. we have to change the flight suit nametags too? I hadn't thought of that...and so on and so on.
There doesn't seem to be any "testing" or prior planning prior to these proposals being passed...just irritating...
^^^ Right on!
Doesn't changing the name of a Congressionally Chartered Organization require it to go back through Congress? Perhaps I am mistaken, I barely passed US LAW and Govt due to some "late" nights at some very dirty bars.
Quote from: mikeylikey on April 23, 2007, 02:45:49 PM
^^^ Right on!
Doesn't changing the name of a Congressionally Chartered Organization require it to go back through Congress? Perhaps I am mistaken, I barely passed US LAW and Govt due to some "late" nights at some very dirty bars.
*ding*ding*ding* We have a winner here.
100% correct: the "legal name" of the organization is "Civil Air Patrol" not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol." And the national commander is not authorized to change that at the stroke of a pen or the flourish of a wrist.
Suggesting that we should change flight suit name tags and letterhead is a bit premature, I think.
Change #72 to the tails of the aircraft, too: Do we send 'em back to the paint/decal shop (the GA-8s have to be repainted, not just re-decaled) to tack on the "US" to the "CIVIL AIR PATROL" after we've just gone and ripped "USAF AUX" off the darn things?
*Sigh*
Quote from: NIN on April 23, 2007, 03:33:25 PM
100% correct: the "legal name" of the organization is "Civil Air Patrol" not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol." And the national commander is not authorized to change that at the stroke of a pen or the flourish of a wrist.
I wonder if any members of Congress are aware? Congressional Inquiry anyone?
I got an email asking if it's official to wear. I wonder why the change? Maybe soon, we'll be wearing "U.S. Air Force"?
Wearing "U.S. Air Force" - ::) I think not.
On the original subject of signatures, CAPR 10-1 still reigns. That's a regulation and it hasn't been changed in 10 years. In fact, when members started putting "USAFX" or "USAFAUX" on their signatures in recent past, NHQ told them to knock it off. I say follow the rules until they change.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on April 23, 2007, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: NIN on April 23, 2007, 03:33:25 PM
100% correct: the "legal name" of the organization is "Civil Air Patrol" not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol." And the national commander is not authorized to change that at the stroke of a pen or the flourish of a wrist.
I wonder if any members of Congress are aware? Congressional Inquiry anyone?
Blansett's been asking for one for years ::)
It does require congressional action to change the name of the organization... which is the reason CAP-USAF has always said we can't go by USAF Aux, cause it isn't our legal name. If you going to the trouble to get us named US CAP, why not just ask for the one people want. Otherwise, quit screing around.
The university I went to changed names. They still used the old letterhead/business cards/etc till they ran out, & I think did a good job minimizing the financial impact. Thaty impact ended up being roughly 17million dollars.
Granted any change of this nature would be borne to a degree by member's wallets, and on the other end by the organization (mostly from member dues). I don't think any study has been undertaken to show the full costs of such a decision, nor have those results been contemplated in a cost benefit analysis by the board as a part of a larger delibrative process to make sound decisions, and that's not even mentioning member input. Decision making without that forethought & backwork is uninformed & therefore irresponsible.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on April 23, 2007, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: NIN on April 23, 2007, 03:33:25 PM
100% correct: the "legal name" of the organization is "Civil Air Patrol" not "U.S. Civil Air Patrol." And the national commander is not authorized to change that at the stroke of a pen or the flourish of a wrist.
I wonder if any members of Congress are aware? Congressional Inquiry anyone?
I don't think we are changing our organizations name. We're just changing the way we wear it on our uniform. That is not the same thing. If we were to change our business charter, and all filings with the government to indicate that our LEGAL name was now United States Civil Air Patrol... THEN we might have a problem.
Look at it this way. People go to Wal-Mart (a corporation) all the time. Everyone wears "Wal-Mart" on their nametags. But, the legal name of the corporation is Wal Mart Stores Incorporated.
We're not changing the legal name of the corporation at this point. Congressional inquiry. Come on. I'm sure that us putting this on our uniforms will be right up at the top of their list of issues they want to look into. (I mean... the war isn't a hot item... neither is the economy.... or campaign finance reform... etc...)
Quote from: CAP Constitution
ARTICLE II
NAME AND STATUS
The name of the Corporation shall be "Civil Air Patrol" and its status is that of the volunteer civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force. The Corporation may also be referred to as "Civil Air Patrol" or by such other titles as may be approved in the Bylaws.
Have you seen a newly approved bylaw? Isn't putting US Civil Air Patrol on our nametapes "referring" to the organization by another name?
Quote from: jimmydeanno on April 24, 2007, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: CAP Constitution
ARTICLE II
NAME AND STATUS
The name of the Corporation shall be "Civil Air Patrol" and its status is that of the volunteer civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force. The Corporation may also be referred to as "Civil Air Patrol" or by such other titles as may be approved in the Bylaws.
Have you seen a newly approved bylaw? Isn't putting US Civil Air Patrol on our nametapes "referring" to the organization by another name?
Not necessarily. We're still Civil Air Patrol, and it indicates as such. It could be argued that it is just clarifying which Civil Air Patrol we are referring to.
All and all... so what? We've got more important things to worry about... like member retention... quality local training... etc...
For those of you that say this will cause a lot of folks to leave... well... I'd argue that there are probably a lot of other reasons that are a part of the decision to leave. Maybe the negative attitude that is displayed here on the interwebs is one of those reasons...
Thus the 17 pages previously on the SAME topic