I have been scolded a few times for breaking the Chain of Command.
I am in the 000 squadron for personal reasons, but it is unclear who my COC is.
What are your ideas?
Do you hold any type of staff position? Is there a squadron commander for 000 in your wing?
000 is the inactive squadron. There are no Staff positions or squadron commander.
The wing Commander is the CC of the holding 000 squadron.
Am I missing something? If you are 000 what are you trying to get done?
There are exactly 2 things members of 000 should be doing.
Nothing or transferring to an active unit.
Quote from: IceNine on August 05, 2008, 04:31:22 AM
Am I missing something? If you are 000 what are you trying to get done?
There are exactly 2 things members of 000 should be doing.
Nothing or transferring to an active unit.
Without getting into specifics, I am trying to get active, but I have issies that need dealth with first.
Quote from: wawgcap on August 05, 2008, 04:26:12 AM
The wing Commander is the CC of the holding 000 squadron.
By presumption, or definition? An examination of the Civil Air Patrol Unit Directory (http://level2.cap.gov/documents/Unit_Directory.pdf) show no SqCC assignments for the 000 units, and those that do appear are not the WgCCs.
Would you disagree that in the absence of a commander being listed the defacto commander would be the wing commander?
I can't find any regulatory reference to 000 outside of transferring members of deactivated units there if there is no other unit listed on the 27.
I have just received an email from the Wing CV asking why I am asking. I think I am getting my answers, but dunno yet.
Good luck!
Quote from: IceNine on August 05, 2008, 04:51:45 AM
Good luck!
That might be a premature wish.......Like I said earlier. I have issues that need dealt with......
Well I know in our wing the 2 best sources of information for the field are the wing CS and CV, so at least you are perking up the right ears.
The first step is to get a definitive answer and that may be a bit of an uphill battle considering the lack of regulatory guidance for the holding unit
Quote from: IceNine on August 05, 2008, 04:47:21 AM
Would you disagree that in the absence of a commander being listed the defacto commander would be the wing commander?
I can't find any regulatory reference to 000 outside of transferring members of deactivated units there if there is no other unit listed on the 27
Usually, 000 units are for inactive members or members "in between assignments". Most wings consider the 000 unit part of wing hq. with the wing/cc as commander (like the 001 unit). Some may assign a squadron commander for administrative purposes, some may do otherwise. In your case, it would seem the commander of the 000 unit is the wing/cc.
However, the best way to deal with your "issues", IMO, would be to transfer to an operational unit and, then work through them through the Chain. I don't think any wing/cc wants to really deal with 000 members unless they want to transfer to an active unit. However, going directly to them is not a violation of the rules.
I have heard it said many times that the wing Chief of Staff functions as the defacto commander of the wing headquarters squadron. This saves the wing commander from being overwhelmed with routine personnel and admin issues. You thus may want to begin your chain of command inquiry for squadron 000 with the wing CoS. At worst it'll give him (or her) something to do for a change. ;D
Quote from: wawgcap on August 05, 2008, 04:26:12 AM
The wing Commander is the CC of the holding 000 squadron.
Quote from: SarDragon on August 05, 2008, 04:42:17 AM
By presumption, or definition? An examination of the Civil Air Patrol Unit Directory (http://level2.cap.gov/documents/Unit_Directory.pdf) show no SqCC assignments for the 000 units, and those that do appear are not the WgCCs.
I'm a bit out of the loop...
What is "Squadron 000," COC, and CC?
Wing Holding Squadron AKA Ghost Squadron - A unit for otherwise unassigned inactive people to be assigned to.
Chain of Command.
CC is the Functional Address Symbol for Commander, it's used for addressing mail... or as a technically improper way to abbreviate position titles.
Quote from: MIKE on August 05, 2008, 04:34:27 PM
technically improper way to abbreviate position titles.
Not arguing here. Just curious as I had never heard that before: What is the proper way to do it?
Quote from: davidsinn on August 05, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 05, 2008, 04:34:27 PM
technically improper way to abbreviate position titles.
Not arguing here. Just curious as I had never heard that before: What is the proper way to do it?
abbreviations; CC, CV,CS,FM,CP, etc. are considered office routing symbols for mailing purposes. In the days before email or texting, these symbols were used to route mail to the appropriate office. If you are sending a snail mail letter to NHQ, for example, you would address the letter to NHQ, attn: "CC" for office of the commander or, "EX" for office of the executive director.
If you are writing a message to an individual, say the group commander, you would not usually use an abbreviation. It would be more like; "Lt Col John Smith, Commander Gp A, XXWG."
Today, I think it appropriate to use the "routing symbols" as email/texting short hand. Most everyone understands the meaning and, IMHO, the definitions should keep up with the times.
Quote from: davidsinn on August 05, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 05, 2008, 04:34:27 PM
technically improper way to abbreviate position titles.
Not arguing here. Just curious as I had never heard that before: What is the proper way to do it?
CC :)
It is a valid question though. However, I suspect that if you're trying to get out of the squadron you just need to work with the Wing Personnel Officer to get transferred back to a "real" squadron.
If I am not mistaken wasn't the Iowa 000 Unit the SQD where members were transferred to that didn't have a local SQD nearby??
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2008, 09:38:57 PM
It is a valid question though. However, I suspect that if you're trying to get out of the squadron you just need to work with the Wing Personnel Officer to get transferred back to a "real" squadron.
If you have followed anything of the IAWG sonce last January, you will know some of the issues that are at hand. Some of which I need to get cleared up before I make a comeback, if I even do.
Thats why I needed the proper person to contact, while not breaking the COC.
Probably is one of the largest units in each wing. Just theoryizing, had a few seniors when I was a cadet who got transferred due to paying dues, supporting CAP that way but they all where either no shows or lived out of state. One was even in the military I think.
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on August 05, 2008, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2008, 09:38:57 PM
It is a valid question though. However, I suspect that if you're trying to get out of the squadron you just need to work with the Wing Personnel Officer to get transferred back to a "real" squadron.
If you have followed anything of the IAWG sonce last January, you will know some of the issues that are at hand. Some of which I need to get cleared up before I make a comeback, if I even do.
Thats why I needed the proper person to contact, while not breaking the COC.
You go to the unit you want to transfer to....that CC put the request in E-services to transfer you and contacts the wing personnel officer for your records.
Easy.
I was in NY-000 for a long time when I was inactive.
When I moved to FL and wanted to get active again, I spoke to the Commander in question and the paperwork was handled by that (Group) Commander. No need to go to Wing for it. Just like any other transfer except (as I recall) the "losing" Commander need not approve.
Quote from: lordmonar on August 12, 2008, 03:18:11 PM
You go to the unit you want to transfer to....that CC put the request in E-services to transfer you and contacts the wing personnel officer for your records. Easy.
Members are responsible for carrying their own file. Re: CAPR 39-2 Sect B para 1-11
Quote from: FW on August 05, 2008, 05:05:49 PM
Abbreviations; CC, CV,CS,FM,CP, etc. are considered office routing symbols for mailing purposes.
Check out CAPR 10-1; you'll find the functional address symbols there.
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2008, 09:38:57 PM
It is a valid question though. However, I suspect that if you're trying to get out of the squadron you just need to work with the Wing Personnel Officer to get transferred back to a "real" squadron.
You might do well to contact a unit and approach the commander. As stated the gaining commander can assign you to his or her unit. A wing staff member can certainly transfer members from unit to unit as he or she desires but I personally think that would not make some unit commanders very happy.