Rep Jim Bridenstine (R OK) has been mentioned as the new SecAF. That would be good news for CAP, he is a friend of CAP. On his Twitter Home page there are several pictures of him at CAP functions including our local units annual Changing of the Guard ceremony each Memorial Day. :clap:
He might be a friend of CAP. He might not. But affixing that label to a politician requires a bit more than a photo of him attending a public event that also has CAP people present.
If presence was the test, we could just as easily say "He's a great friend of hospitals" because he was photographed at the dedication ceremony for the new county hospital ER.
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on December 08, 2016, 05:05:49 AM
He might be a friend of CAP. He might not. But affixing that label to a politician requires a bit more than a photo of him attending a public event that also has CAP people present.
He does a bit more than "happens to be there."
It looks like he is or was pretty heavily involved with the Starbase Composite Squadron according to a few google searches.
I'd be curious to know what actual, tangible benefit could be expected or desired from him being a CAP advocate.
Quote from: Jester on December 08, 2016, 06:37:50 PM
I'd be curious to know what actual, tangible benefit could be expected or desired from him being a CAP advocate.
Green boots with the ABU? Another USAF award for the ribbonly-stunted? Actual support missions for our parent service that would make us more AUX-ON than corporate? The list is endless....
Quote from: Jester on December 08, 2016, 06:37:50 PM
I'd be curious to know what actual, tangible benefit could be expected or desired from him being a CAP advocate.
Just a couple off the top of my head.
- More familiarity as to what the "Civil What Patrol?" is.
- Less spin-up time to actively engage with the Air Staff on CAP-related things (ie. when someone on the Air Staff says "We have Civil Air Patrol doing that mission.." there's not a 15 minute sidebar for the SecAF every time explaining who these people are, what they do, how they do it, and what value add they bring to the Air Force mission)
A-10s?
>:D
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 08, 2016, 08:29:15 PM
A-10s?
>:D
I seriously doubt many municipalities are going to want to pay cap for SARs when they're going to be paying for A-10 refueling.
Quote from: JoshN on December 09, 2016, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 08, 2016, 08:29:15 PM
A-10s?
>:D
I seriously doubt many municipalities are going to want to pay cap for SARs when they're going to be paying for A-10 refueling.
They don't pay for CAP SAR. If they've exhausted their resources/mutual aid, Ma Blue foots the bill.
That said, Ma Blue probably doesn't want to foot that bill either >:D.
I thought they pay for fuel/maintenance costs for aircraft unless it's an AF authorized mission.
Quote from: JoshN on December 09, 2016, 02:17:11 AM
I thought they pay for fuel/maintenance costs for aircraft unless it's an AF authorized mission.
Yep, if it's a "corporate" mission, the customer pays.
Quote from: NIN on December 08, 2016, 07:45:16 PM
- Less spin-up time to actively engage with the Air Staff on CAP-related things (ie. when someone on the Air Staff says "We have Civil Air Patrol doing that mission.." there's not a 15 minute sidebar for the SecAF every time explaining who these people are, what they do, how they do it, and what value add they bring to the Air Force mission)
Yeah, but I bet there's an extended sigh...
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Quote from: Eclipse on December 09, 2016, 04:58:43 AMYeah, bit I bet there's an extended sigh...
I gotta say, the current SecAF seems fully engaged with CAP-USAF and CAP, Inc. She is fully aware of who we are and certainly doesn't need a 15 min brief about us. A friend recently saw her speak in person and apparently she spoke at great length about who CAP is and what CAP is doing to support the Air Force.
I'm almost bummed we finally got on the SecAF's radar and now the person will change. Such as life with government!
If no A-10s, what about AV-8s?
Slow over the search zone, passes a potential find so it pivots. Then when find is confirmed, lands to drop survival stuff!
8)
Quote from: JoshN on December 09, 2016, 02:17:11 AM
I thought they pay for fuel/maintenance costs for aircraft unless it's an AF authorized mission.
Since all SAR requests get funneled through AFRCC, as long as the criteria are met, AFRCC cuts a funded mission number. It is highly unlikely, though still possible under the right situation, that your wing especially would conduct SAR under a C mission.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on December 09, 2016, 02:29:14 PMIt is highly unlikely, though still possible under the right situation, that your wing especially would conduct SAR under a C mission.
Depends on the circumstances as to "unlikely" - our wing has been fairly prone to C-missions for missing persons, especially.
Meeting the criteria for AFRCC AFAMs that aren't ELTs is a fair ramp.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 09, 2016, 01:12:01 PM
If no A-10s, what about AV-8s?
Slow over the search zone, passes a potential find so it pivots. Then when find is confirmed, lands to drop survival stuff!
8)
USAF doesn't have Harriers and the Marines will not let you have them. We don't need combat aircraft, we need suitable missions that we can perform.
SAR in a lot of places is dying. DR only happens when there is a disaster. What to do for the rest of the time? How can CAP be utilized to support the missions of the Air Force as a whole? Already, we have chaplains supporting USAF missions. How about lawyers? Doctors? Accountants? Safety professionals? IT types? Lots of ways for us to play and support shortages in unit manpower, especially in AFR and ANG units. The SECAF could help with that...
Quote from: THRAWN on December 09, 2016, 03:06:29 PM
SAR in a lot of places is dying. DR only happens when there is a disaster. What to do for the rest of the time? How can CAP be utilized to support the missions of the Air Force as a whole? Already, we have chaplains supporting USAF missions. How about lawyers? Doctors? Accountants? Safety professionals? IT types? Lots of ways for us to play and support shortages in unit manpower, especially in AFR and ANG units. The SECAF could help with that...
Nope. Air Force doesn't have a problem manning professionals. CAP doesn't have a problem utilizing Finance and IT types; they have plenty to do. It's CAP's problem to recruit, retain, and motivate membership... The SecAF (select) can be a motivator when doing the things our current SecAF is doing...
I would add that CAP shouldn't be recruiting people for the purposes of augmenting the USAF, that's not
what CAP is about, despite the attempts over the years to do things like that ((*cough*)) VSAF ((*cough*)).
The Chaplain's unique ability to augment, again in rare and specific circumstances notwithstanding, CAP is not
a personnel gateway for the USAF for either cadets or seniors, and shouldn't be. It's one thing for members to provide
occasional fill-in during a crisis, and a whole 'nother to be back filling budgeted billets that go unfilled, etc.
Sorry guys for trying to inject a little humor in these threads, and trying to bring responses to extend threads that I find inminently [sic] purposeful. I will keep my contributions as serious as I can make them.
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Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 09, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
Sorry guys for trying to inject a little humor in these threads, and trying to bring responses to extend threads that I find inminently [sic] purposeful. I will keep my contributions as serious as I can make them.
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It's appreciated. But jets? If anything, we'd be better off with rotary wing assets. It'd give NIN something else to do...
Quote from: THRAWN on December 09, 2016, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on December 09, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
Sorry guys for trying to inject a little humor in these threads, and trying to bring responses to extend threads that I find inminently [sic] purposeful. I will keep my contributions as serious as I can make them.
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It's appreciated. But jets? If anything, we'd be better off with rotary wing assets. It'd give NIN something else to do...
and Id go 180 deg and say CAP would get in less trouble with jets! :o
Is NIN a helicopter pilot...?
Heed Flying Pig! He knows helos!!!
>:D
OV-22 Osprey!
(I think I got the designator correct)
1st Lt Raduenz
Quote from: DakRadz on December 09, 2016, 06:45:08 PM
OV-22 Osprey!
(I think I got the designator correct)
1st Lt Raduenz
AF model is CV-22 Osprey and the Marine variant is the MV-22 Osprey.
Well, we did have a B-1 help df a signal here in Wyoming sometime ago.
Why thank you. Usually I look that up. I think I was thinking of an old fixed wing from Vietnam. OV... Bird dog maybe? Something like that.
1st Lt Raduenz
Quote from: THRAWN on December 09, 2016, 03:06:29 PM
Already, we have chaplains supporting USAF missions. How about lawyers? Doctors? Accountants? Safety professionals? IT types? Lots of ways for us to play and support shortages in unit manpower, especially in AFR and ANG units. The SECAF could help with that...
Novel idea but there is more to it than that. Alot of these professionals may not be willing to leave their primary jobs to back fill. And doctors and lawyers in the DoD practice under the blanket license the DoD has. The IT sector unless you are working at the NOS can't really do alot and their hands are tied alot.
Plus who will fund these and most of those manpower slots are deployable assets as well. Are CAP members willing to go out?
Quote from: abdsp51 on December 09, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on December 09, 2016, 03:06:29 PM
Already, we have chaplains supporting USAF missions. How about lawyers? Doctors? Accountants? Safety professionals? IT types? Lots of ways for us to play and support shortages in unit manpower, especially in AFR and ANG units. The SECAF could help with that...
Novel idea but there is more to it than that. Alot of these professionals may not be willing to leave their primary jobs to back fill. And doctors and lawyers in the DoD practice under the blanket license the DoD has. The IT sector unless you are working at the NOS can't really do alot and their hands are tied alot.
Plus who will fund these and most of those manpower slots are deployable assets as well. Are CAP members willing to go out?
You'd be surprised at the response. Many Title 32 State Guards are already doing this for their DMAVA/MILDEP, without compensation. They cover the domestic roles during deployments and fill contingency roles. In addition to the ones that I named earlier, there are the CE roles that could be filled, force protection augmentees, ACR, PA...this organization has a wide variety of professionals that already give of their time and treasure. SECAF could tap into some of that.
Quote from: THRAWN on December 09, 2016, 05:54:52 PM
It's appreciated. But jets? If anything, we'd be better off with rotary wing assets. It'd give NIN something else to do...
Pig can fly it, I'll fix it.
Quote from: Fubar on December 09, 2016, 07:30:58 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 09, 2016, 04:58:43 AMYeah, bit I bet there's an extended sigh...
I gotta say, the current SecAF seems fully engaged with CAP-USAF and CAP, Inc. She is fully aware of who we are and certainly doesn't need a 15 min brief about us. A friend recently saw her speak in person and apparently she spoke at great length about who CAP is and what CAP is doing to support the Air Force.
I'm almost bummed we finally got on the SecAF's radar and now the person will change. Such as life with government!
The current SecAF is very engaged now with CAP. (Secretary James spoke at the 75th Anniversary Gala dinner at Udvar-Hazy on Thursday the 1st. Great remarks)
But how long did it take before the SecAF was "CAP conversant" or even knew there was a thing
called "Civil Air Patrol?" I'm not sure, but off the top of my head we've seen much more from the SecAF regarding CAP in, say, the last 2-3 years than I recall seeing beforehand. I could be wrong.
Now, two things we have in our favor with an incoming administration:
1) CAP is thrust a little further to the fore these days with 1AF/NORTHCOM and the whole "Total Force" thing;
2) the potential new SecAF (if he's really to be the SecAF) already has *some* degree of familiarity with CAP
Again, like I said, its helpful to the organization that when someone says "Civil Air Patrol" it doesn't have to be explained at the Air Staff/Secretariat level.
Quote from: NIN on December 09, 2016, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on December 09, 2016, 05:54:52 PM
It's appreciated. But jets? If anything, we'd be better off with rotary wing assets. It'd give NIN something else to do...
Pig can fly it, I'll fix it.
And ah kin hilp. Worked on H-34s and H-1s for three years.