Aircrew Wings

[vento]

The Aircrew Wings "should" be easier for cadets to earn than Observer Wings?

Yes.....because it is easy to earn for anyone.

If the cadet is 18 years old or older.

[BSH]

Which of the Air Crew positions is the most straight forward to earn?

[JeffDG]

Which of the Air Crew positions is the most straight forward to earn?

Mission Scanner.

It's a prerequisite for all the others.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Which of the Air Crew positions is the most straight forward to earn?

Mission Scanner.

It's a prerequisite for all the others.

And unfortunately seen as just a "stepping stone" to Mission Observer.  I know quite a few Scanners who like remaining Scanners without the additional hoo-ha of what goes with being in the right seat.

[a2capt]

Nothing wrong with that, and call it what it is. It is a stepping stone, but it's also a place one can stay and serve.

[THRAWN]

Nothing wrong with that, and call it what it is. It is a stepping stone, but it's also a place one can stay and serve.

It's incorrect to call it a stepping stone. For some, it's the square hole/square peg. I knew a Scanner who could spot a dime in the woods at 1500'. Add any other tasks to her workload, and she was as hosed up as a $3 bill...She was a "victom" of the mindset that you must become a MO and couldn't stay as a MS. She got her wings, and ended up spending her time in the backseat, with very good results...

[Eclipse]

MS is an initial and valuable qualification, no more or less then any other, it's only recently
that the AP and others have come to being, with most not really being done yet, if ever,
and the majority of the "work" in the airplane is still done from the rear seat.

I don't know why people downplay the accomplishments of others, especially by spouting 1/2-truths.

[LSThiker]

For anyone that is curious what the full-size metal wings look like.  Basically, they are observer wings without an O in cast.

Picture attached

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[Al Sayre]

Or Navy Aircrew wings without the anchor and made in silver vs. gold...

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[Panache]

For anyone that is curious what the full-size metal wings look like.  Basically, they are observer wings without an O in cast.

Still wished they could have worked the CAP tri-prop in there somewhere.

You know, make it distinctive at low light and at-a-distance.   

[THRAWN]

For anyone that is curious what the full-size metal wings look like.  Basically, they are observer wings without an O in cast.

Still wished they could have worked the CAP tri-prop in there somewhere.

You know, make it distinctive at low light and at-a-distance.   

Still wish they would have used the MO slick wings as the basic aircrew, senior as MO, and master as AOBD...but alas, we're stuck with this...

[Devil Doc]

I wanted to become an MO for awhile, because if the role needed to be filled, I can do it. I have done a sortie or 2, and I actually dont like being in the right seat. It is cool to learn how to run Navigation and work the Glass Cockpit. I just dont like talking on the Radio (Even though im a MRO) keeping up with all of the hoo haa. Give me my Camera and I will take pictures and be happy.

I am more of a "Ground Pounder" but I learn AC stuf incase the slot needs to be filled.

[THRAWN]

I wanted to become an MO for awhile, because if the role needed to be filled, I can do it. I have done a sortie or 2, and I actually dont like being in the right seat. It is cool to learn how to run Navigation and work the Glass Cockpit. I just dont like talking on the Radio (Even though im a MRO) keeping up with all of the hoo haa. Give me my Camera and I will take pictures and be happy.

I am more of a "Ground Pounder" but I learn AC stuf incase the slot needs to be filled.

It's a ctually good to get it if you want to get more into the mission management aspect as well. Strike that, it's required if you want to do that. Sure you can be a GBD, but you'll top out at that. Even if you don't want a management role, it's a good thing to have some perspective on what goes on with your air searchers while you're on the ground.

[GroundHawg]

I wanted to become an MO for awhile, because if the role needed to be filled, I can do it. I have done a sortie or 2, and I actually dont like being in the right seat. It is cool to learn how to run Navigation and work the Glass Cockpit. I just dont like talking on the Radio (Even though im a MRO) keeping up with all of the hoo haa. Give me my Camera and I will take pictures and be happy.

I am more of a "Ground Pounder" but I learn AC stuf incase the slot needs to be filled.

It's a ctually good to get it if you want to get more into the mission management aspect as well. Strike that, it's required if you want to do that. Sure you can be a GBD, but you'll top out at that. Even if you don't want a management role, it's a good thing to have some perspective on what goes on with your air searchers while you're on the ground.

And vice versa, the pilots and aircrew should take a break from flying and do some ground work every now and again. It would be good to know the GT perspective in the air.

[THRAWN]

I wanted to become an MO for awhile, because if the role needed to be filled, I can do it. I have done a sortie or 2, and I actually dont like being in the right seat. It is cool to learn how to run Navigation and work the Glass Cockpit. I just dont like talking on the Radio (Even though im a MRO) keeping up with all of the hoo haa. Give me my Camera and I will take pictures and be happy.

I am more of a "Ground Pounder" but I learn AC stuf incase the slot needs to be filled.

It's a ctually good to get it if you want to get more into the mission management aspect as well. Strike that, it's required if you want to do that. Sure you can be a GBD, but you'll top out at that. Even if you don't want a management role, it's a good thing to have some perspective on what goes on with your air searchers while you're on the ground.

And vice versa, the pilots and aircrew should take a break from flying and do some ground work every now and again. It would be good to know the GT perspective in the air.

Agreed. Once upon a.time in NJ we did just that. During our GSAR Schools we would have time set aside for GTM trainees to get airborne and for the aircrews to get their boots dirty. It worked well to make well rounded ES teams.

[Garibaldi]

I wanted to become an MO for awhile, because if the role needed to be filled, I can do it. I have done a sortie or 2, and I actually dont like being in the right seat. It is cool to learn how to run Navigation and work the Glass Cockpit. I just dont like talking on the Radio (Even though im a MRO) keeping up with all of the hoo haa. Give me my Camera and I will take pictures and be happy.

I am more of a "Ground Pounder" but I learn AC stuf incase the slot needs to be filled.

It's a ctually good to get it if you want to get more into the mission management aspect as well. Strike that, it's required if you want to do that. Sure you can be a GBD, but you'll top out at that. Even if you don't want a management role, it's a good thing to have some perspective on what goes on with your air searchers while you're on the ground.

And vice versa, the pilots and aircrew should take a break from flying and do some ground work every now and again. It would be good to know the GT perspective in the air.

Agreed. Once upon a.time in NJ we did just that. During our GSAR Schools we would have time set aside for GTM trainees to get airborne and for the aircrews to get their boots dirty. It worked well to make well rounded ES teams.

That is what the prevailing opinion is in my unit. We are trying to get the aircrews in the van for a sortie, and any interested GTMs up in the plane, provided they are 18 and up. The younger cadets already get their flying in 

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I wish they would have revived the old "half-wing" that CAP Observers wore back in the day for Scanner.

[ColonelJack]

I wish they would have revived the old "half-wing" that CAP Observers wore back in the day for Scanner.

Didn't that later become the Stewardess badge?  (I know, I know ... not politically correct.  Nowadays it would be "flight attendant.")

Jack

[Garibaldi]

Airborne Service Attendant

[Panache]

Aeronautical Customer Service Associate.