Ranger Roll

[flyguy06]

When I was in Army OBC a few of the officers were wearing the ranger rolls.  A seargent came over to them and commenced to chewing them out.  He was passionate about this because he felt the officers did not deserve to wear a ranger roll because they had never gone through ranger training, and that disrespected the real rangers. 
There are no Army rangers in the AF or CAP. 

Huh? There are no Officers that are Rangers? every active duty Infantry officer is required to attend ranger School after graduating from IOBC. Its not an option for them., The Ranger Regimental Commander, and his staff. They all have to be rangers in order to get the job

And yes the USAF does send PJ's and TACP airmen to ranger school. but not SF airmen.

Ya know, I didnt even notice that this was an old post

[BillB]

Do baseball bats and 2x4's violate CPPT?

[AlphaSigOU]

Do baseball bats and 2x4's violate CPPT?

They usually do... if you actually use 'em! 

[SPD6696]

When I was in Army OBC a few of the officers were wearing the ranger rolls.  A seargent came over to them and commenced to chewing them out.  He was passionate about this because he felt the officers did not deserve to wear a ranger roll because they had never gone through ranger training, and that disrespected the real rangers. 
There are no Army rangers in the AF or CAP. 

Huh? There are no Officers that are Rangers? every active duty Infantry officer is required to attend ranger School after graduating from IOBC. Its not an option for them., The Ranger Regimental Commander, and his staff. They all have to be rangers in order to get the job

And yes the USAF does send PJ's and TACP airmen to ranger school. but not SF airmen.

Ya know, I didnt even notice that this was an old post

Actually, AF SF Airmen DO get sent to Ranger school.

[Stonewall]

Ya know, I didnt even notice that this was an old post

Yes, there is even a pre-Ranger course for AF Security Forces.

A 2008 article

A 2004 article

"Those that graduate (from) Ranger school can take the knowledge and expertise that they learn there and bring it back to Air Force security forces units," said Lt. Mark Douglas, a Ranger-qualified airman and a pre-Ranger course instructor.

[flyguy06]

Very interesting. We dont let MP's go to ranger school unless they have aninside hook up. Why do we let SF Airmen go?

[lordmonar]

mission requirements

[Stonewall]

Very interesting. We dont let MP's go to ranger school unless they have aninside hook up. Why do we let SF Airmen go?

Not that it's the norm, but I have personally known Army MPs to go to Ranger School.

As for SF Airmen, they don't just stand gates, guard nukes or patrol flight lines anymore.

Plus, Ranger School is defined as a "Combat Leadership Course".

From the course description:

The purpose of the course is learning to soldier as a combat leader while enduring the great mental and psychological stresses and physical fatigue of combat; the Ranger Instructors (RI) create and cultivate such a physical and mental environment.

As an example, for this drill weekend, my ANG SF Squadron is being picked up by Army Blackhawks this morning and being flown to a training area where we will conduct an overnight FTX that mostly involves day and night land nav.  Doesn't sound like your typical SF mission does it?

[Hawk200]

Very interesting. We dont let MP's go to ranger school unless they have aninside hook up. Why do we let SF Airmen go?

Not that it's the norm, but I have personally known Army MPs to go to Ranger School.

As for SF Airmen, they don't just stand gates, guard nukes or patrol flight lines anymore.

Plus, Ranger School is defined as a "Combat Leadership Course".

From the course description:

The purpose of the course is learning to soldier as a combat leader while enduring the great mental and psychological stresses and physical fatigue of combat; the Ranger Instructors (RI) create and cultivate such a physical and mental environment.

As an example, for this drill weekend, my ANG SF Squadron is being picked up by Army Blackhawks this morning and being flown to a training area where we will conduct an overnight FTX that mostly involves day and night land nav.  Doesn't sound like your typical SF mission does it?

Doesn't sound like anything that really requires Ranger school. Good training, yes, but you don't need it to know field work.

Ranger school does not make one a Ranger, either. I've talked to a couple soldiers that have actually served in the Ranger battalions. There's a lot more to it.

[NIN]

Not that it's the norm, but I have personally known Army MPs to go to Ranger School.

As for SF Airmen, they don't just stand gates, guard nukes or patrol flight lines anymore.

Plus, Ranger School is defined as a "Combat Leadership Course".

From the course description:

The purpose of the course is learning to soldier as a combat leader while enduring the great mental and psychological stresses and physical fatigue of combat; the Ranger Instructors (RI) create and cultivate such a physical and mental environment.

As an example, for this drill weekend, my ANG SF Squadron is being picked up by Army Blackhawks this morning and being flown to a training area where we will conduct an overnight FTX that mostly involves day and night land nav.  Doesn't sound like your typical SF mission does it?

Doesn't sound like anything that really requires Ranger school. Good training, yes, but you don't need it to know field work.

Ranger school does not make one a Ranger, either. I've talked to a couple soldiers that have actually served in the Ranger battalions. There's a lot more to it.

I think Kirt was merely saying that his SF unit is not exactly "playing parade ground cops" as one might think of SF.  Or at least, they're out there conducting training that is a little "out of the ordinary" for an AF SF unit.

I think he has more than a passing familiarity with Ranger School and the Infantry.

[Stonewall]

Doesn't sound like anything that really requires Ranger school. Good training, yes, but you don't need it to know field work.

You're correct.  Ranger School is not necessary to do these things.  I was implying that we (SF) do missions similar to that of the Infantry.  You don't need a Ranger Tab (i.e. the School) to perform an Infantry mission, but it certainly is does help.

[Hawk200]

Doesn't sound like anything that really requires Ranger school. Good training, yes, but you don't need it to know field work.

You're correct.  Ranger School is not necessary to do these things.  I was implying that we (SF) do missions similar to that of the Infantry.  You don't need a Ranger Tab (i.e. the School) to perform an Infantry mission, but it certainly is does help.

Ah, gotcha. I've seen more than a few that think that it's the only way to be Infantry.

[Stonewall]

BTW, my Squadron Commander is a graduate of Army Ranger School, Airborne and Air Assault.

Also, as an FYI - a couple of articles about Air Force Security Forces' specialty missions within Special Operations.

DAGRE Story 2007


DAGRE story 2008

[citizensoldier]

4 pages folks..........

[Stonewall]

4 pages folks..........

And 3+ years.  So?

[jeders]

Well, 2+ anyways.

[Rotorhead]

4 pages folks..........

Thanks for helping to make it five!

[swamprat86]

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[CadetProgramGuy]

I'm from Wing, I'm here to help. 

You owe me another keyboard......

[Stonewall]

I see MIKE in here....LOCKAGE!!!