Quote from: Trung Si Ma on February 18, 2009, 10:19:32 PMOnly if you upgrade the five jump chump wings 

Hey now.  Those are 12 jump-chump wings.  In addition to jump school, I spent time in 3 different RIP classes (3-92, 5-92 and 6-92) after being hurt in my first class.  I got 3 jumps in one class and 2 in the other 2 classes.  Other than that, yeah, I got nuthin.

Quote from: jaybird512 on February 19, 2009, 01:24:06 AM
There is nothing ridiculous about wearing two sets of wings.  I do, and I think it looks just fine.  There are a couple of prior Navy guys here who wear their AF and Navy wings on both their blues and their flight suit nametag and nobody talks trash to them.

I don't think anyone said it looked ridiculous. Someone thinks that Air Force wings going below CAP is BS, but I don't see anything about it being ridiculous.

Personally, I'd love to have a flightsuit nametag with two sets of wings. Once I get home, hoping to "restart" my observer training.

I must say it was funny when my SI first started my progression, and one day he asked if I knew what "sterile cockpit" meant. I told him. He look surprised, and asked if I'd flown before. I told him that it was just with CAP. We compared notes, and there's actually a few similarities, even though CAP aircrew training isn't nearly as structured (which I think it ought to be more so). I've carried CAP stuff over to the Army side, and vice versa.

Quote from: Flying Pig on February 18, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
But he's serious.

I missed a few posts.  But just to clarify, no, I wasn't serious.  I know you know, Robert, but others are probably freaking out right now thinking I actually wear this.

I should fool around and make a set with Airborne, Air Assault, Security Forces, Master Ground Team Badge, EMT and Observer.  I have all of them in white on ultramarine. 

Quote from: Stonewall on February 19, 2009, 02:00:13 AM
I should fool around and make a set with Airborne, Air Assault, Security Forces, Master Ground Team Badge, EMT and Observer.  I have all of them in white on ultramarine. 

Doooooo it!!!! 

Quote from: Stonewall on February 19, 2009, 02:00:13 AM
I should fool around and make a set with Airborne, Air Assault, Security Forces, Master Ground Team Badge, EMT and Observer. 

(As a heads up, I know you're joking.)

Hmmm, let's see, how would you do it? From top down, I'd say Observer, Airborne, Air Assault over the tape. Security Forces (to the right, of course), and Ground Team on the pocket flap. Stick the EMT right in the middle of the pocket like some of the PJ's and CCT's do. 

Would be interesting. Wear it in sometime when there are no cadets around, and watch the jaws drop. Definitely, post a picture.

Quote from: Stonewall on February 19, 2009, 02:00:13 AM

Quote from: Flying Pig on February 18, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
But he's serious.

I missed a few posts.  But just to clarify, no, I wasn't serious.  I know you know, Robert, but others are probably freaking out right now thinking I actually wear this.

I should fool around and make a set with Airborne, Air Assault, Security Forces, Master Ground Team Badge, EMT and Observer.  I have all of them in white on ultramarine. 

Don't forget some foreign jump wings on the right pocket flap! 

Quote from: winterg on February 19, 2009, 02:34:43 AM
Don't forget some foreign jump wings on the right pocket flap! 

Nah, foreign jump wings go over the nametag. Take that CC job, and stick that command badge on top over them, you'll be set.

Quote from: Trung Si Ma on February 18, 2009, 10:19:32 PMWhen I had the Fayetteville Composite Squadron (now MER-NC-007), we had more people with jump wings and CIB/CFMB/EIB/EFMB on their BDU's than we had with CAP badges on them.  Of course, that was before the plethora of new badges came out for the "I've never earned anything in my life" crowd.

Mount Vernon Composite Squadron (MER-DC-045) was the same thing in the '90s.  We had at least 7 people wearing jump wings (senior and master too), a CIB/EIB or 2, a Ranger Tab, an SF tab and lots and lots of other Army badges.  That's what happens when a large majority of your seniors work at the Pentagon, Ft. Belvoir, Ft. Myer, Bolling AFB, DIA, CIA, NRO; not to mention all the former military folks who stayed in the AO after getting out.

Quote from: Hawk200 on February 19, 2009, 02:58:46 AM

Quote from: winterg on February 19, 2009, 02:34:43 AM
Don't forget some foreign jump wings on the right pocket flap! 

Nah, foreign jump wings go over the nametag. Take that CC job, and stick that command badge on top over them, you'll be set.

He'd be truly stacked 

Right side would need some really neat foreign jump wings - maybe Thai (http://www.rangerjoes.com/foreign-jump-wings-thailand-p-1316.html) then the CC badge with the Pluto Patch above them ...

Hey Kirt - I'm at Benning, want me to go by Ranger Joe's and get you a set?

Don

Quote from: Trung Si Ma on February 19, 2009, 04:01:03 AMRight side would need some really neat foreign jump wings - maybe Thai (http://www.rangerjoes.com/foreign-jump-wings-thailand-p-1316.html) then the CC badge with the Pluto Patch above them ...

Hey Kirt - I'm at Benning, want me to go by Ranger Joe's and get you a set?

Sure, but I'd have to stop by Thailand and earn them.  Ironically enough, I have almost talked my boss into letting me accompany our Spa director to Thailand where she'll be the key note speaker at an international spa conference.  I told them I have been there before and she definitely needs personal protection... 

Quote from: Hawk200 on February 19, 2009, 01:52:20 AM

Quote from: jaybird512 on February 19, 2009, 01:24:06 AM
There is nothing ridiculous about wearing two sets of wings.  I do, and I think it looks just fine.  There are a couple of prior Navy guys here who wear their AF and Navy wings on both their blues and their flight suit nametag and nobody talks trash to them.

I don't think anyone said it looked ridiculous. Someone thinks that Air Force wings going below CAP is BS, but I don't see anything about it being ridiculous.

Personally, I'd love to have a flightsuit nametag with two sets of wings. Once I get home, hoping to "restart" my observer training.

I must say it was funny when my SI first started my progression, and one day he asked if I knew what "sterile cockpit" meant. I told him. He look surprised, and asked if I'd flown before. I told him that it was just with CAP. We compared notes, and there's actually a few similarities, even though CAP aircrew training isn't nearly as structured (which I think it ought to be more so). I've carried CAP stuff over to the Army side, and vice versa.

It was mentioned above about RM and CAP wings worn together, but to each his own.  I'm kinda proud of both.

I just ordered my CAP flightsuit nametag with both sets of wings on it and I'm anxious to see how it turns out.  It'll get some double-takes, I'm sure.  I agree that after going through AF aircrew training, CAP is lacking in a few areas.  It gives you the basics but doesn't really prepare you to jump in the right seat and be as proficient as you should be.

Quote from: jaybird512 on February 19, 2009, 06:03:01 AM
It was mentioned above about RM and CAP wings worn together, but to each his own.  I'm kinda proud of both.

I've seen CAP folks that utterly hate it when someone prior military comes in. I don't get it. Ironically, in the military, people read your ribbon rack and badges, and have an idea of what you've done. For some reason, some (not all, or even most) folks in CAP think that if they don't know what your ribbons are, then the accomplishments are completely meaningless.

When i first rejoined, I wore blues one time to a wing function. I just wore the rack off my last set of AF blues since I hadn't gotten any CAP ribbons yet. Had a cadet snicker at my ribbon rack, remarking that he "had more than me". I raised an eyebrow, replied "Really? We'll see".

The next function was hosted at our unit, and I wore blues with both military and CAP ribbons. The look on his face was priceless. Another cadet asked me how I got so many. Since the one that asked wasn't at the previous function, I knew where the question was actually coming from.

Quote from: jaybird512 on February 19, 2009, 06:03:01 AM
I just ordered my CAP flightsuit nametag with both sets of wings on it and I'm anxious to see how it turns out.  It'll get some double-takes, I'm sure.  I agree that after going through AF aircrew training, CAP is lacking in a few areas.  It gives you the basics but doesn't really prepare you to jump in the right seat and be as proficient as you should be.

I just did the same thing. Don't have my observer wings as of yet, so I won't be able to wear them immediately.

Don't really know what your aircrew training entails, I'm helicopter aircrew. We'd probably have to compare notes sometime to determine that. There are similarities between CAP and Army Aircrew, but there are differences, too. I think CAP could benefit from from some of the Army's more structured aircrew progression, but not too hardcore. Too much, and people wouldn't stick with it. Which would result in fewer qualified aircrews, and a possible inability to meet our missions.

But back to the original topic, it'll be kinda nice to have two sets of wings. Always wanted to crew in more than one place, and it's finally happening for me.

Quote from: Stonewall on February 19, 2009, 02:00:13 AM

Quote from: Flying Pig on February 18, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
But he's serious.

I missed a few posts.  But just to clarify, no, I wasn't serious.  I know you know, Robert, but others are probably freaking out right now thinking I actually wear this.

I should fool around and make a set with Airborne, Air Assault, Security Forces, Master Ground Team Badge, EMT and Observer.  I have all of them in white on ultramarine. 

The problem is someone will use that picture as justification for wearing a similar setup.

"But I saw a picture on CAP Talk where this guy Stonewall was wearing it that way."

Quote from: davedove on February 19, 2009, 02:46:16 PM

Quote from: Stonewall on February 19, 2009, 02:00:13 AM

Quote from: Flying Pig on February 18, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
But he's serious.

I missed a few posts.  But just to clarify, no, I wasn't serious.  I know you know, Robert, but others are probably freaking out right now thinking I actually wear this.

I should fool around and make a set with Airborne, Air Assault, Security Forces, Master Ground Team Badge, EMT and Observer.  I have all of them in white on ultramarine. 

The problem is someone will use that picture as justification for wearing a similar setup.

"But I saw a picture on CAP Talk where this guy Stonewall was wearing it that way."

Easy fix: Watermark the photo with something to the effect of "This is not an authorized uniform configuration. Consult CAPM 39-1 for proper uniform wear. Or, wait until BDU's phase out to post the photo.

Ten to one, anyone that tries to pull that "I saw a picture of...." wouldn't manage to make it fly. It wouldn't surprise me if every squadron had a couple of CAP Talk members here, too.

Those of us that have the badges to pull it off should all do this and take a picture.  It will be like our own little "Where's Waldo"-type thing.

Quote from: swamprat86 on February 19, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
Those of us that have the badges to pull it off should all do this and take a picture.  It will be like our own little "Where's Waldo"-type thing.

Maybe we could make a "This is completely unauthorized!" or "What NOT to do!" uniform thread, with a few rules to it, of course. Thoughts?

Instead of Fantasy Island, we can call it Fantasy Stacks!

Quote from: Hawk200 on February 19, 2009, 02:08:25 PM

Quote from: jaybird512 on February 19, 2009, 06:03:01 AM
It was mentioned above about RM and CAP wings worn together, but to each his own.  I'm kinda proud of both.

I've seen CAP folks that utterly hate it when someone prior military comes in. I don't get it. Ironically, in the military, people read your ribbon rack and badges, and have an idea of what you've done. For some reason, some (not all, or even most) folks in CAP think that if they don't know what your ribbons are, then the accomplishments are completely meaningless.

I haven't seen that experience, but I can see how it would happen by some of the posts on here.  A few tend to treat this like the scouts rather than a military organization.  From experience it seems like units near military bases lean more toward the military than units with no influence.

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When i first rejoined, I wore blues one time to a wing function. I just wore the rack off my last set of AF blues since I hadn't gotten any CAP ribbons yet. Had a cadet snicker at my ribbon rack, remarking that he "had more than me". I raised an eyebrow, replied "Really? We'll see".

The next function was hosted at our unit, and I wore blues with both military and CAP ribbons. The look on his face was priceless. Another cadet asked me how I got so many. Since the one that asked wasn't at the previous function, I knew where the question was actually coming from.

Quote from: jaybird512 on February 19, 2009, 06:03:01 AM
I just ordered my CAP flightsuit nametag with both sets of wings on it and I'm anxious to see how it turns out.  It'll get some double-takes, I'm sure.  I agree that after going through AF aircrew training, CAP is lacking in a few areas.  It gives you the basics but doesn't really prepare you to jump in the right seat and be as proficient as you should be.

I just did the same thing. Don't have my observer wings as of yet, so I won't be able to wear them immediately.

Don't really know what your aircrew training entails, I'm helicopter aircrew. We'd probably have to compare notes sometime to determine that. There are similarities between CAP and Army Aircrew, but there are differences, too. I think CAP could benefit from from some of the Army's more structured aircrew progression, but not too hardcore. Too much, and people wouldn't stick with it. Which would result in fewer qualified aircrews, and a possible inability to meet our missions.

I'm sure that our training is very similar.  Here we are taught a lot about the specific aircraft systems, publications and technical orders, and to know the workings inside and out.  We do much of the preflight and operate most of the airframe systems including APUs and ATMs, do weight and balance, etc.  While CAP doesn't need to get that specific, more should be taught to MOs than we currently have.

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But back to the original topic, it'll be kinda nice to have two sets of wings. Always wanted to crew in more than one place, and it's finally happening for me.

Me too.  When I rejoined CAP as a senior I wanted more interaction as an aircrew member and there just wasn't enough for someone who was not a pilot.  That eventually lead me to join the AF and I love it.  I'm looking forward to flying with CAP again soon where I can share what I've learned and better relate to the pilots so they don't just consider me dead weight.