Did anyone else see the CAP Colonel in the inauguration crowd on MSNBC? It was during the benediction. African American fellow.
Yep.
Yeah, wasn't that pretty cool seeing a CAP member on National TV! :D
I THINK that's Col. J. Delano Ellis, a chaplain from Cleveland. Pretty sure he's also the chief chaplain for the U.S. Army Cadet Corps.
I saw it too. I glanced up during lunch and saw the epaulet sleeve. Can see those things from a mile away! YAY CAP!
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on January 20, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
I THINK that's Col. J. Delano Ellis, a chaplain from Cleveland. Pretty sure he's also the chief chaplain for the U.S. Army Cadet Corps.
Looking for a screencap now... Anybody with a hint as to where in the benediction it was?
I know Col Ellis, so if it was him, I'll know him instantly! :)
Don't remember exactly when, but the camera was on him for a good 10 seconds...
EDIT: Full frame, not just some random person in the audience.
Here you go...
This video at 3:07: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27721638/vp/28738177#28738177
Nope, not COL J. Delano Ellis II, Chief of Chaplains for the US Army Cadet Corps, because in CAP, COL Ellis is Lt Col J. Delano Ellis.
Sources report that is Col Boyd, the either current or past KS Wing Commander.
Yes, the shot is of Col. George Boyd. He was KsWG/CC unitil 2004, CAP/NC until 2005 and current Urban Affairs Officer for CAP. A very good picture indeed.
He couldn't make it out to one of our annual awards banquets, but he could make it to Obama's little welcome party?
Pshaw.
;D
A little background...
I was just told that he is a Tuskegee Airman. I would assume that he recieved a formal invitation to the event - even awesomer! <-Yes, I know, I know...
Quote from: jimmydeanno on January 20, 2009, 07:32:45 PM
A little background...
I was just told that he is a Tuskegee Airman. I would assume that he recieved a formal invitation to the event - even awesomer! <-Yes, I know, I know...
Wasn't there a "Volunteer" magazine article about him a while back? I seem to recall something about a Tuskegee Airman in a high-up leadership position with CAP.
He was indeed a Tuskegee Airman. I attended a couple of lectures from him about it.
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 07:58:45 PM
He was indeed a Tuskegee Airman. I attended a couple of lectures from him about it.
He was the guest speaker at the NFA-OK graduation dinner last year. Very nice guy.
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I would say that it is semantics of a political event (pork and bean fund raising dinner) vs. a function of government (government legislative sessions). Otherwise, the Winter Boards would all be out of reg to visit their reps and congress people.
Quote from: KyCAP on January 21, 2009, 04:31:19 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I would say that it is semantics of a political event (pork and bean fund raising dinner) vs. a function of government (government legislative sessions). Otherwise, the Winter Boards would all be out of reg to visit their reps and congress people.
Not to mention that all those members of the .mil marching around...
I would consider it a civic event. The prohibition against wearing a uniform for political events is to avoid the perception that the military or CAP supports a particular candidate, party, or activity. Attending the inauguration is showing support for the President and the country. If i were a "Political event" you wouldn't have had thousands of military members of all services and components working for 6 months to support it.
Real military sometimes does not have a choice in the matter, I mean after all the President is the Commander in Chief. I see the "perception" point of view and that was what I was getting at. I try to make sure that politics is NOT brought up at our meetings for two reasons.... I'm sure no one wants to hear my political views and I don't want to hear someone else's in that setting. Thank you for the input to my question. :)
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Inauguration is not a political activity....it is a civic activity.
And the military is there under orders to show fealty to the new commander-in-chief. It's fine for a CAP member to be there in an official capacity.
Just wanted to say that I also caught that shot. It was during the benediction at the end of the event. The Colonel was on screen long enough for me to notice and point at his gray shoulder mark and say, "Look, Civil Air Patrol!" Very cool.
Thanks for the vid cap, isn't technology cool?!
I saw a half-dozen or so men with Tuskegee Airmen baseball caps at various times throughout the ceremony, so he was maybe with that group and close to a crowd camera.
Yup, this was a good and appropriate event for members of CAP to attend in uniform. A president's funeral might be another Civic Event along the same lines.
Are ear muffs an authorized item for uniform wear? ;) :P
yes.
Quote from: A.Member on January 21, 2009, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 21, 2009, 08:54:04 PM
yes.
I was being facetious.
On this board?!?! You have got to put more then a couple of smiles to convey that! ;D
I was wondering when someone was going to ask that question.
And for the cite...before anyone asks...table 2-1 line 13.
The man looked good in the uniform.!!!
I wish CAP could get enough Cadets to march at these things, but it sure looked cold.
I expect to see lots of changes, this administration is very keen on volunteerism and CAP volunteers do it until we bleed sometimes (financially)
Ha-hum...notice he is wearing a service cap >:D
Quote from: lordmonar on January 21, 2009, 06:04:44 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Inauguration is not a political activity....it is a civic activity.
Indeed it is. And if we could not be there, then the USMC band should not have been playing "Hail to the Chief" either. The Military District of Washington should also have stayed at their desks. Yet, the uniformed services were proudly represented, as they should be.
It was a great thing to see our military and CAP associated with this great event. No matter how you vote, any inauguration is cause to celebrate.... our country may not always be consistent at everything we do, but we are consistent at the peaceful transfer of power. Every 4 years, we get to reaffirm that this country really is of the people, by the people, and for the people.
That is thanks to our great military. We owe them everything.
Is this a great country or what?
(OK, I am off the soapbox now)
Quote from: smj58501 on January 22, 2009, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 21, 2009, 06:04:44 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Inauguration is not a political activity....it is a civic activity.
Indeed it is. And if we could not be there, then the USMC band should not have been playing "Hail to the Chief" either. The Military District of Washington should also have stayed at their desks. Yet, the uniformed services were proudly represented, as they should be.
It was a great thing to see our military and CAP associated with this great event. No matter how you vote, any inauguration is cause to celebrate.... our country may not always be consistent at everything we do, but we are consistent at the peaceful transfer of power. Every 4 years, we get to reaffirm that this country really is of the people, by the people, and for the people.
That is thanks to our great military. We owe them everything.
Is this a great country or what?
(OK, I am off the soapbox now)
The fact that it could be thought that a civic function such as the event of Jan 20 was somehow an endorcement of some political agenda is a testimony to the fact that our nation is far too divided on political issues and party politics.
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 05:09:57 AM
Real military sometimes does not have a choice in the matter, I mean after all the President is the Commander in Chief. I see the "perception" point of view and that was what I was getting at. I try to make sure that politics is NOT brought up at our meetings for two reasons.... I'm sure no one wants to hear my political views and I don't want to hear someone else's in that setting. Thank you for the input to my question. :)
It wasn't a political event. It is an event required by the constitution, regardless of which party the incoming incumbent. I can't think of a more appropriate event to wear a uniform to (outside of a CAP meeting). I can't think of another country that has a regularly scheduled (down to the day and minute) change of government.
Gunner
Quote from: smj58501 on January 22, 2009, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 21, 2009, 06:04:44 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Inauguration is not a political activity....it is a civic activity.
THIS IS A GREAT COUNTRY....HOOAH!!!!
Yes, this is a wonderful country! HOOAH!!!
Indeed it is. And if we could not be there, then the USMC band should not have been playing "Hail to the Chief" either. The Military District of Washington should also have stayed at their desks. Yet, the uniformed services were proudly represented, as they should be.
It was a great thing to see our military and CAP associated with this great event. No matter how you vote, any inauguration is cause to celebrate.... our country may not always be consistent at everything we do, but we are consistent at the peaceful transfer of power. Every 4 years, we get to reaffirm that this country really is of the people, by the people, and for the people.
That is thanks to our great military. We owe them everything.
Is this a great country or what?
(OK, I am off the soapbox now)
Quote from: Captain B on January 20, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
Did anyone else see the CAP Colonel in the inauguration crowd on MSNBC? It was during the benediction. African American fellow.
One of the Capt's at the squadron meeting tuesday told us about it. At President Fords funeral service CAP has some members present for it. I think one of them was a PAO and go closer than most did.
typo sorry, tired and think its time for bed lol. 3rd shift hours gotta love em. I ment to say CAP had member present for the funeral and a PAO got closer than most others during the services.
Quote from: SM-MADDOG on January 22, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
typo sorry, tired and think its time for bed lol. 3rd shift hours gotta love em. I ment to say CAP had member present for the funeral and a PAO got closer than most others during the services.
The story about that is here: http://capnhq.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/capnhq.cfg/php/enduser/fattach_get.php?p_sid=EoRl1QHi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_tbl=9&p_id=345&p_created=1176150365&p_olh=0
I remember the funeral. It was then Capt. Steven Solomon. At the time I believe he was either MD Wing's or MER's PAO, don't remember.
Quote from: md132 on January 22, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
I remember the funeral. It was then Capt. Steven Solomon. At the time I believe he was either MD Wing's or MER's PAO, don't remember.
He's still a Captain and is the SER PAO.
The question is whether or not this was an official CAP activity -- that is what controls whether the CAP uniform can be worn. If he was invited to the inauguration as a private individual and then decided on his own to wear the CAP uniform, it would violate CAP regulations. If he got permission from the appropriate commander to wear his uniform for the public relations value, that would be fine.
Quote from: RiverAux on January 22, 2009, 07:33:53 PM
The question is whether or not this was an official CAP activity -- that is what controls whether the CAP uniform can be worn. If he was invited to the inauguration as a private individual and then decided on his own to wear the CAP uniform, it would violate CAP regulations. If he got permission from the appropriate commander to wear his uniform for the public relations value, that would be fine.
And since any of us probably can't know whether or not he did so means any further is unbased speculation. We're all aware of the uniform regulations and how they work. So leaving it at that, let's not engage in uninformed speculation.
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you seriously asking this question? This wasnt apartisan event. thats what that statement means. We cant show support of a particular party. This is a function for all Americans. There is nothing political about an inauguration. its for the people oif the nation
Iwas at the Inauguration and it was great. I have talked to COL Boyd but have never met him. I wish I had known he was there. I didnt even know the Tuskegee Airmen were honored guests. They were part of the motorcade travelling behind the President-elect onhis way to the Inauguration. I think that was very historic and classy.
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 05:30:45 AM
Iwas at the Inauguration and it was great. I have talked to COL Boyd but have never met him. I wish I had known he was there. I didnt even know the Tuskegee Airmen were honored guests. They were part of the motorcade travelling behind the President-elect onhis way to the Inauguration. I think that was very historic and classy.
You were? Should have told me...
were you there? I wish I had known. I stayed with my sister who lives in Maryland. it was cold but very enjoyable. I had on my army thermals so my body was ok, it was just my nose and cheeks that were freezing. it took five hours to get back onthe train to go home. The line alone was a 1.5 hour wait.
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
were you there? I wish I had known. I stayed with my sister who lives in Maryland. it was cold but very enjoyable. I had on my army thermals so my body was ok, it was just my nose and cheeks that were freezing. it took five hours to get back onthe train to go home. The line alone was a 1.5 hour wait.
Was indeed. See above photo, complete with the freezing nose and cheeks you mention. I got there in the morning and stayed until after dark.
Hobbs:
You are making a good point, and that is always something to consider when dealing with politicos, but the inauguration is a public event, paid for with tax money. Any person may, whether or not he or she voted for the new president, come to witness the swearing in. (Although supporters and contributors get the best seats).
Attending a public event intended to elevate our sense of patriotism and appreciation of American values, is, in my humble and probably meaningless opinion, an appropriate venue for us to wear our uniforms.
COL Boyd is also a Tuskegee Airmen(Not sure if he is an original one or not) and they were invited tothe ceremony. So he probably just wore his uniform. Ithought it was cool
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading somewhere that while in Washington DC a CAP member should wear their uniform.
Quote from: RickFranz on January 24, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading somewhere that while in Washington DC a CAP member should wear their uniform.
I think what you read was (paraphrase)"When in DC while in uniform the uniform shall be Service Dress or equivalent."
Quote from: RickFranz on January 24, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading somewhere that while in Washington DC a CAP member should wear their uniform.
Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Table 1-1.all CAP personnel touring Washington DC, as part of a CAP activity or
conducting CAP business in the metropolitan area, will wear the service
uniform, civilian clothing, or the blazer and slacks or skirt combination,
and will be properly groomed. Senior members visiting the White
House, Capitol, State Department, or comparable buildings in uniform
will wear the service uniform with service coat (service dress uniform)
or blazer uniform. Cadets are not required to wear the service coat. In no
case will BDUs, flight suits, or utility uniforms be worn.
Quote from: MIKE on January 24, 2009, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: RickFranz on January 24, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading somewhere that while in Washington DC a CAP member should wear their uniform.
Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Table 1-1.all CAP personnel touring Washington DC, as part of a CAP activity or
conducting CAP business in the metropolitan area, will wear the service
uniform, civilian clothing, or the blazer and slacks or skirt combination,
and will be properly groomed. Senior members visiting the White
House, Capitol, State Department, or comparable buildings in uniform
will wear the service uniform with service coat (service dress uniform)
or blazer uniform. Cadets are not required to wear the service coat. In no
case will BDUs, flight suits, or utility uniforms be worn.
Wheeew....Thank God, for a second I thought I had to go naked! Thanks for the clarification. ;D
Quote from: MIKE on January 24, 2009, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: RickFranz on January 24, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading somewhere that while in Washington DC a CAP member should wear their uniform.
Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Table 1-1.all CAP personnel touring Washington DC, as part of a CAP activity or
conducting CAP business in the metropolitan area, will wear the service
uniform, civilian clothing, or the blazer and slacks or skirt combination,
and will be properly groomed. Senior members visiting the White
House, Capitol, State Department, or comparable buildings in uniform
will wear the service uniform with service coat (service dress uniform)
or blazer uniform. Cadets are not required to wear the service coat. In no
case will BDUs, flight suits, or utility uniforms be worn.
How do we define the Washington DC "metropolitan area"?
Does it include Andrews AFB? I think not. Or flight suits would be not worn at Andrews.
Quote from: DG on January 24, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: MIKE on January 24, 2009, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: RickFranz on January 24, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading somewhere that while in Washington DC a CAP member should wear their uniform.
Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Table 1-1.all CAP personnel touring Washington DC, as part of a CAP activity or
conducting CAP business in the metropolitan area, will wear the service
uniform, civilian clothing, or the blazer and slacks or skirt combination,
and will be properly groomed. Senior members visiting the White
House, Capitol, State Department, or comparable buildings in uniform
will wear the service uniform with service coat (service dress uniform)
or blazer uniform. Cadets are not required to wear the service coat. In no
case will BDUs, flight suits, or utility uniforms be worn.
How do we define the Washington DC "metropolitan area"?
Does it include Andrews AFB? I think not. Or flight suits would be not worn at Andrews.
The Spirit of the Regulation is that when you visit the Capitial City you demonstrate a professional, somewhat formal look. So, if you visit, oh say...the Lincoln Memorial, White House or Capitol, you wear service dress . This is a more formal appearance as opposed to wearing a field unifrom, like BDUs or a flight suit.
There are times for Service Dress...going to DC is one of them.
No disrespect to flield uniforms, but I imagine BDU clad groups of CAP officers visiting the Jefferson Memorial might look more like a defense force or, worse, invading occupying force. Where as service dress would like like a group of persons visiting their Nation's Capital to honor the decorum of the Federal City.
I once spoke with a retired legislator that told me that he flet that testifying before a legislative body ina field uniform was risrespectful and that he once pulled aside an officer and tolf him to wear service dress the next day.
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 05:24:14 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you seriously asking this question? This wasnt apartisan event. thats what that statement means. We cant show support of a particular party. This is a function for all Americans. There is nothing political about an inauguration. its for the people oif the nation
But the question was, was he out of REGS?
Quote from: TEAM SURGE on January 31, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 05:24:14 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you seriously asking this question? This wasnt apartisan event. thats what that statement means. We cant show support of a particular party. This is a function for all Americans. There is nothing political about an inauguration. its for the people oif the nation
But the question was, was he out of REGS?
And the answer is No...the inauguration is NOT a political event.
Quote from: lordmonar on January 31, 2009, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: TEAM SURGE on January 31, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 05:24:14 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you seriously asking this question? This wasnt apartisan event. thats what that statement means. We cant show support of a particular party. This is a function for all Americans. There is nothing political about an inauguration. its for the people oif the nation
But the question was, was he out of REGS?
And the answer is No...the inauguration is NOT a political event.
Yeah but it is not a CAP event.
Quote from: TEAM SURGE on January 31, 2009, 07:11:02 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 31, 2009, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: TEAM SURGE on January 31, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 05:24:14 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you seriously asking this question? This wasnt apartisan event. thats what that statement means. We cant show support of a particular party. This is a function for all Americans. There is nothing political about an inauguration. its for the people oif the nation
But the question was, was he out of REGS?
And the answer is No...the inauguration is NOT a political event.
Yeah but it is not a CAP event.
One can secure permission from their various levels of command to wear a uniform for an event. Representing the Civil Air Patrol at a Presidential Inauguration would me one such event. Seeing that he is also a Colonel on the National Staff, I imagine your premise is moot.
No, his premise is correct. Just because he is a Col on national staff doesn't mean he gets to decide what is or is not a CAP event. I'll assume that he did get proper permision and if so was properly wearing the uniform. No way for us to know.
Quote from: TEAM SURGE on January 31, 2009, 07:11:02 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 31, 2009, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: TEAM SURGE on January 31, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: flyguy06 on January 23, 2009, 05:24:14 AM
Quote from: Hobbsh1 on January 21, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Question..... if it was a CAP'er, and he was in a CAP uniform (AF style or Corp.) wouldn't that person be in violation of regs?? Wouldn't that be considered a political support statement? I personally don't care one way or another, today is a big day in our nation, only happens every 4 years. I just thought we were not supposed to attend political events in uniform. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you seriously asking this question? This wasnt apartisan event. thats what that statement means. We cant show support of a particular party. This is a function for all Americans. There is nothing political about an inauguration. its for the people oif the nation
But the question was, was he out of REGS?
And the answer is No...the inauguration is NOT a political event.
Yeah but it is not a CAP event.
How was it not a CAP event? Our PA folks were knocking themselves silly proclaiming how CAP was supporting the Inaugural.
Quote from: PHall on February 01, 2009, 01:15:10 AM
How was it not a CAP event?
While I'm in full support of a member wearing their uniform to an event like this (iwth proper permission, of course) - "CAP event" in my mind says an event being organized and carried out
by and for the CAP. The inauguration - to me - is simply a civic event, with CAP people (or a CAP person) in attendance.
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on February 01, 2009, 01:18:41 AM
Quote from: PHall on February 01, 2009, 01:15:10 AM
How was it not a CAP event?
While I'm in full support of a member wearing their uniform to an event like this (iwth proper permission, of course) - "CAP event" in my mind says an event being organized and carried out by and for the CAP. The inauguration - to me - is simply a civic event, with CAP people (or a CAP person) in attendance.
The Inauguration is a civic event, to which one should ask and recieve permission to attend in uniform. I should like to see more good uniformed representation of our membership at various Civic events.
People are always complaining that CAP is "invisible" and no one "knows who we are," then, with the same type strokes, support a low profile.
At the 2007 PAO Conference then Brig Gen Amy Courter made statements supporting the more frequent public wear of CAP uniforms. A debate then began on the regs that seemed to prevent or curtail it.
Until we can come to terms with our uniforms and the public, we will never be able to get the simple recognition that even the Boy Scouts have.
There isn't really anything to debate -- if there is a civic event where you think CAP participation might be appropriate, ask permission and if given, go. No big deal.
Quote from: RiverAux on February 01, 2009, 02:33:44 AM
There isn't really anything to debate -- if there is a civic event where you think CAP participation might be appropriate, ask permission and if given, go. No big deal.
I agree, however there seems to be some here that seem to be arguring that even that is somehow inappropriate.
Well, making the call on whether the particular event is appropriate for CAP is always going to rest with the commander and I suppose not every commander would view every event the same.
Quote from: RiverAux on February 01, 2009, 03:04:06 AM
Well, making the call on whether the particular event is appropriate for CAP is always going to rest with the commander and I suppose not every commander would view every event the same.
Could that be addressed in CAPP 151 as for what would constitute an appropriate event?
We've already got a listing of places where CAP uniforms cannot be worn, which seems clear-cut enough for me.
Funny, there wasn't this much comment when a member posted pictures of his wearing Mess Dress on a cruise.
Quote from: Cecil DP on February 01, 2009, 06:11:27 PM
Funny, there wasn't this much comment when a member posted pictures of his wearing Mess Dress on a cruise.
I must fully agree. This is gone far enough. The man represented CAP on likely the most watched television program for that day. He was professional, wore his uniform well and is a living legend in aviation far beyond the CAP world.
Quote from: Major Carrales on February 01, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
Quote from: Cecil DP on February 01, 2009, 06:11:27 PM
Funny, there wasn't this much comment when a member posted pictures of his wearing Mess Dress on a cruise.
I must fully agree. This is gone far enough. The man represented CAP on likely the most watched television program for that day. He was professional, wore his uniform well and is a living legend in aviation far beyond the CAP world.
And who's going to tell an aviation legend, Col Boyd, that he's misrepresenting CAP? (which he wasn't) Some folks need to get serious. How about telling Col Feik that she can't wear all that junk on her blazer? She's a nice lady and a aviation legend, but her uniform is a mess. No takers?
Quote from: Gunner C on February 02, 2009, 02:44:28 AM
How about telling Col Feik that she can't wear all that junk on her blazer? She's a nice lady and a aviation legend, but her uniform is a mess. No takers?
Actually there was a SM that told Mary Feik that she couldn't wear the Feik achievement ribbon on her blazer. Apparently, she didn't earn it... (insert eye rolling smiley here...)
"I'm sorry Mr. Armstrong, I'm not sure that you're authorized to wear the Neil Armstrong Achievement Ribbon...you actually have to earn that you know..."
I don't know about you, but my lips are sealed. :-X
What? This isn't locked yet?
Ok. Here come my 2 cents:
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Ok? Here it again.
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Honestly, some people...
seriously. This is still a topic?