Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 19, 2017, 04:01:19 PM
Home Help Login Register
News:

CAP Talk  |  Cadet Programs  |  Encampments & NCSAs  |  Topic: Questions about PJOC
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Questions about PJOC  (Read 1885 times)
FNelson
Recruit

Posts: 6
Unit: SWR-NM-018

« on: September 13, 2017, 11:06:40 AM »

I am thinking about attending Pararescue Orientation Course this summer if it is available and I am curious about what I should expect and what I should do to prepare.  I have heard that it is very intense and I think it would be a very interesting experience.
Logged
SarDragon
Global Moderator

Posts: 10,017
Unit: NAVAIRPAC

« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 03:15:11 PM »

The first thing you can do is dig up the physical fitness test and see how well you do today, then work to exceed the standards.

This is the description of the test.

This is a 14min video from the AF about their test. Some sections may not apply; watch it all the way through.

Start now getting ready for it.
Logged
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret
etodd
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 789

« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 07:15:40 PM »

If you like FB:

https://www.facebook.com/Pararescue-Orientation-Course-Civil-Air-Patrol-160296861500/

Logged
MS - MO - AP - MP
PHall
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 5,835

« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 09:09:27 PM »

You WILL be administered a PT test on your arrival. If you fail any part of it you're gone, right now.
So start working out and remember, Kirkland is at 5500 feet. Pretty thin air if you're from the flatlands.
Logged
Jester
Seasoned Member

Posts: 209

« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2017, 09:29:12 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Logged
FNelson
Recruit

Posts: 6
Unit: SWR-NM-018

« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 01:45:03 PM »

Thanks for the help, and for the person who mentioned Kirtalnds altitude, I live in Santa Fe, which is about an hour north of Kirtland at about 7000 feet so that won't be a problem but you do make a good point.
Logged
Panzerbjorn
Seasoned Member

Posts: 277
Unit: MER-NC-048

« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 08:34:04 AM »

PM me your email address and I'll pass it along to my son.  He went to PJOC last summer and graduated.  I emphasize graduated as you'll need a higher level of physical fitness to graduate vs participate.  I'm told that not everyone who participated actually graduated and can wear the patch.  I'll ask him to email you and give you information on how to physically prepare.  I can tell you with certainty is to start working on your pull-ups.
Logged
Major
Command Pilot
Ground Branch Director
Eagle Scout
A.Member
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,606

« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 09:32:34 AM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).

Follow SarDragon's suggestion.  Everything you need to know is published on the NCSA site.  And as SarDragon also pointed out, don't just meet the standard; crush it.


« Last Edit: September 20, 2017, 09:57:56 AM by A.Member » Logged
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci
Alaric
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 740

« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 12:30:24 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).


Just out of curiosity, why would gathering intelligence be frowned upon?  People shouldn't be well informed?  Or does G2 have a different meaning vis--vis CAP/PJOC course?
Logged
Panzerbjorn
Seasoned Member

Posts: 277
Unit: MER-NC-048

« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 01:00:23 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).

Follow SarDragon's suggestion.  Everything you need to know is published on the NCSA site.  And as SarDragon also pointed out, don't just meet the standard; crush it.

Considering there's an entire documentary series devoted to the ACTUAL PJ training program, I highly doubt that anyone is going to get their shorts in a bunch about questions on how to prepare for PJOC.

https://www.amazon.com/Rescue-Warriors/dp/B01N31D78E
Logged
Major
Command Pilot
Ground Branch Director
Eagle Scout
A.Member
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,606

« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 01:47:59 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).


Just out of curiosity, why would gathering intelligence be frowned upon?  People shouldn't be well informed?  Or does G2 have a different meaning vis--vis CAP/PJOC course?
There are many components to the course.  The desire is for each cadet to have a similar experience.  That opportunity is diminished as info is shared.  It's one reason you won't find a lot of info on the course here or elsewhere.  The staff and instructors spend an incredible amount of time prepping to keep the course special. 

As mentioned, everything a cadet needs to know in advance, including a training program, is available on the NCSA page.  Any additional info a cadet may need will be provided once they are accepted to the course.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2017, 01:51:17 PM by A.Member » Logged
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci
A.Member
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,606

« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 01:49:16 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).

Follow SarDragon's suggestion.  Everything you need to know is published on the NCSA site.  And as SarDragon also pointed out, don't just meet the standard; crush it.

Considering there's an entire documentary series devoted to the ACTUAL PJ training program, I highly doubt that anyone is going to get their shorts in a bunch about questions on how to prepare for PJOC.

https://www.amazon.com/Rescue-Warriors/dp/B01N31D78E
He was provided direction on how to prepare.
Logged
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci
Alaric
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 740

« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 02:00:37 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).


Just out of curiosity, why would gathering intelligence be frowned upon?  People shouldn't be well informed?  Or does G2 have a different meaning vis--vis CAP/PJOC course?
There are many components to the course.  The desire is for each cadet to have a similar experience.  That opportunity is diminished as info is shared.  It's one reason you won't find a lot of info on the course here or elsewhere.  The staff and instructors spend an incredible amount of time prepping to keep the course special. 

As mentioned, everything a cadet needs to know in advance, including a training program, is available on the NCSA page.  Any additional info a cadet may need will be provided once they are accepted to the course.

Seems foolishly restrictive as I prefer students that are motivated to seek knowledge.  I always get concerned when people restrict information for no useful purpose.  However as I have no intention of attending the PJOC course as an SM I have no dog in the hunt, enjoy the "secret squirrel"
Logged
A.Member
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,606

« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 02:17:22 PM »

Anybody ever staff it as a SM?
Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).


Just out of curiosity, why would gathering intelligence be frowned upon?  People shouldn't be well informed?  Or does G2 have a different meaning vis--vis CAP/PJOC course?
There are many components to the course.  The desire is for each cadet to have a similar experience.  That opportunity is diminished as info is shared.  It's one reason you won't find a lot of info on the course here or elsewhere.  The staff and instructors spend an incredible amount of time prepping to keep the course special. 

As mentioned, everything a cadet needs to know in advance, including a training program, is available on the NCSA page.  Any additional info a cadet may need will be provided once they are accepted to the course.

Seems foolishly restrictive as I prefer students that are motivated to seek knowledge.  I always get concerned when people restrict information for no useful purpose.  However as I have no intention of attending the PJOC course as an SM I have no dog in the hunt, enjoy the "secret squirrel"
Opinions differ, especially from those with experience.  This course is not Blue Beret, IACE, or similar nor is it intended to be.  You may not like it but as stated previously, everything a cadet needs to know in advance is provided on the NCSA site. 
Logged
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci
Jester
Seasoned Member

Posts: 209

« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2017, 02:49:35 AM »

I just want to know what the SM staff role is for the course. You can keep all the super secret activities like push-ups and knifing sentries behind the OPSEC curtain.
Logged
CAPLTC
Member

Posts: 51
Unit: MER

« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2017, 09:28:41 PM »

Yes and attempting to G2 the course from any angle is highly frowned upon (those that have attended this course or APJOC understand this).

This is a strange attitude.
One can get a download of what to expect @ SWCS... why not a cadet NCSA?
Logged
"Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until theyre so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact." -- SECDEF Mattis
Fubar
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 614

« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2017, 09:54:14 PM »

This is a strange attitude.
One can get a download of what to expect @ SWCS... why not a cadet NCSA?

I wonder how parents feel about it too.
Logged
SarDragon
Global Moderator

Posts: 10,017
Unit: NAVAIRPAC

« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2017, 10:07:41 PM »

In my experience, there are events whose particulars should come as a bit of a surprise, with a minimum of knowledge ahead of time. Two I can think of right off the bat are SERE School and USN Chief's initiation. People who have been through them don't talk about what they went through with those who haven't. There's a rite of passage involved. I think PJOC has a similar policy.
Logged
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret
PHall
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 5,835

« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2017, 10:44:27 PM »

In my experience, there are events whose particulars should come as a bit of a surprise, with a minimum of knowledge ahead of time. Two I can think of right off the bat are SERE School and USN Chief's initiation. People who have been through them don't talk about what they went through with those who haven't. There's a rite of passage involved. I think PJOC has a similar policy.


Exactly right!
Logged
CAP9907
Recruit

Posts: 23
Unit: NER-000

« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2017, 11:52:15 PM »

I just want to know what the SM staff role is for the course. You can keep all the super secret activities like push-ups and knifing sentries behind the OPSEC curtain.

I think everyone is missing the point we have now come to.... my man here is simply looking to see what a SM does at the activity. He is not looking for the codes to the football or secret stash; nobody wants to break your precious wall of silence. Jeez, you guys are thinking like this is a TS/SCI issue... get over yourselves already, it's a NCSA!!!

YMMV,

Logged
16 yrs of service
Wing Director of some stuff
IC3 and a bunch of things below that
Pages: [1] Print 
CAP Talk  |  Cadet Programs  |  Encampments & NCSAs  |  Topic: Questions about PJOC
 


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP SMF 2.0.13 | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.167 seconds with 20 queries.