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Jester
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« on: September 12, 2017, 04:16:50 PM »



Reddit rumor is that this is supposed to be the direction of the new service coat if the field likes it (without the extra Honor Guard flair of course).

I love it, and will gladly retire my old one as soon as this one becomes available (and authorized for CAP).
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Commo
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2017, 05:46:17 PM »

What uniform coat is that in the picture, and what color is it?

It's hard to tell in the picture if it's  dark navy, charcoal, black, etc.  The stripes at the cuff resemble the Army dress blues before the blue uniform became the class A.

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2017, 05:53:49 PM »

So back to "I Dream of Jeannie" but with shiny buttons and a darker cloth...
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 06:02:27 PM »

So back to "I Dream of Jeannie" but with shiny buttons and a darker cloth...

The "Tony Nelson" coat was the shade 1084 I wore as a cadet - the bottom pockets were on the outside.  This looks like the coat we had just prior to what we have now, but in a darker fabric.

The darker fabric IS just for honor guards, which means just going back to the previous coat, only in the current shade 1625.

Which I would be totally happy with.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 06:10:48 PM »

What uniform coat is that in the picture, and what color is it?

It's hard to tell in the picture if it's  dark navy, charcoal, black, etc.  The stripes at the cuff resemble the Army dress blues before the blue uniform became the class A.

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USAF Honor Guard. They have all that stuff on there, sewn in creases, etc. required by reg. Silver braid down the pants, extra silver trim on the service cap, different cap device, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 07:08:12 PM »

The current honor guard uniform is all thats left of the "Informal Black" which was the USAF equivalent of the army dress blue.  When the regular service blue went to the McPeak style the honor guard didn't change and kept the style of the existing coat.

Which unfortunately leads me to believe that this is just a wishful thinking rumor.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2017, 01:25:01 AM »

Could be worse...

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2017, 01:16:41 PM »

The WW1 design was overdoing it.  The WW2 "Hap Arnold" heritage uniform was perfect, though

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 01:58:47 PM »

Overdoing it? Tell it to the Marines...
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 02:02:31 PM »

Overdoing it? Tell it to the Marines...
For the Marines, it's long been a part of their history. For the Air Force, not so much...
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 02:03:43 PM »

Overdoing it? Tell it to the Marines...
For the Marines, it's long been a part of their history. For the Air Force, not so much...

Really? The uniform that is in the photo was called the Mitchell coat. Wanna venture a guess as to why?
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 02:33:32 PM »

As a replacement for the service coat, which it was intended for, it was a bit much for everyday wear.  I can't imagine a CSAF wearing it to testify before Congress alongside the other JCS members. 

As a separate dress uniform, maybe, but the last the the AF needs is additional uniforms.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 02:42:37 PM »

Overdoing it? Tell it to the Marines...
For the Marines, it's long been a part of their history. For the Air Force, not so much...

Really? The uniform that is in the photo was called the Mitchell coat. Wanna venture a guess as to why?
And when was the last time the AF had that as a uniform? Heck, when was the last time the Army had that as a uniform?
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 02:44:04 PM »

Overdoing it? Tell it to the Marines...
For the Marines, it's long been a part of their history. For the Air Force, not so much...

Really? The uniform that is in the photo was called the Mitchell coat. Wanna venture a guess as to why?
And when was the last time the AF had that as a uniform? Heck, when was the last time the Army had that as a uniform?

Doesn't really matter, as it has "long been a part of their history".
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2017, 08:40:33 AM »



Reddit rumor is that this is supposed to be the direction of the new service coat if the field likes it (without the extra Honor Guard flair of course).

I love it, and will gladly retire my old one as soon as this one becomes available (and authorized for CAP).

Do you happen to have a source link for that thread? I'd be curious to see it in context.


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Jester
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 08:56:02 AM »



Reddit rumor is that this is supposed to be the direction of the new service coat if the field likes it (without the extra Honor Guard flair of course).

I love it, and will gladly retire my old one as soon as this one becomes available (and authorized for CAP).

Do you happen to have a source link for that thread? I'd be curious to see it in context.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/6zotqb/new_honor_guard_uniform/?st=J7KGIUXO&sh=a71b13aa
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2017, 10:39:14 AM »

Overdoing it? Tell it to the Marines...
For the Marines, it's long been a part of their history. For the Air Force, not so much...

Really? The uniform that is in the photo was called the Mitchell coat. Wanna venture a guess as to why?
And when was the last time the AF had that as a uniform? Heck, when was the last time the Army had that as a uniform?

Doesn't really matter, as it has "long been a part of their history".

Long been a part of the history is not the same as "was a part of the history a long time ago."
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2017, 10:45:29 AM »

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/6zotqb/new_honor_guard_uniform/?st=J7KGIUXO&sh=a71b13aa

So one of the responses on that thread is "Last I heard the idea was to have the AF HG wear it and see what the rest of the Force thought and if it was liked we'd switch"

I don't recall a time when AF leadership cared about what the members thought of a possible uniform change.  I was in during the McPeak days and saw the dress uniform go from military to USAir pilot. 

/Rant
The CMSAF came and spoke at my Airman Leadership School class as was field testing the new service uniform.  Everyone in the class hated it and told him (the white stripes, no collar brass, stripes on sleeves for officer rank, no name tag, etc) that is looked like crap and not a military uniform.  His response was "this is the uniform we are going with and you don't have to like it but you will have to wear it."  Pure leadership there.  He then went on to berate on of my classmates because he didn't want to join the NCO club because he didn't have the money for the dues.  The CMSAF response to that was, "get a part-time job or get promoted.  If you aren't a member of the NCO club you are basically a dirt bag Airman."  Yes, the CMSAF called someone a dirt bag Airman in front of about 20 people for not joining the NCO club.  /Rant over
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2017, 10:49:48 AM »

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/6zotqb/new_honor_guard_uniform/?st=J7KGIUXO&sh=a71b13aa

So one of the responses on that thread is "Last I heard the idea was to have the AF HG wear it and see what the rest of the Force thought and if it was liked we'd switch"

I don't recall a time when AF leadership cared about what the members thought of a possible uniform change.  I was in during the McPeak days and saw the dress uniform go from military to USAir pilot. 

/Rant
The CMSAF came and spoke at my Airman Leadership School class as was field testing the new service uniform.  Everyone in the class hated it and told him (the white stripes, no collar brass, stripes on sleeves for officer rank, no name tag, etc) that is looked like crap and not a military uniform.  His response was "this is the uniform we are going with and you don't have to like it but you will have to wear it."  Pure leadership there.  He then went on to berate on of my classmates because he didn't want to join the NCO club because he didn't have the money for the dues.  The CMSAF response to that was, "get a part-time job or get promoted.  If you aren't a member of the NCO club you are basically a dirt bag Airman."  Yes, the CMSAF called someone a dirt bag Airman in front of about 20 people for not joining the NCO club.  /Rant over

If it's the one I'm thinking of, he was a prime example of all the wrongs with the SAC-itude....
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2017, 11:44:47 AM »

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/6zotqb/new_honor_guard_uniform/?st=J7KGIUXO&sh=a71b13aa

So one of the responses on that thread is "Last I heard the idea was to have the AF HG wear it and see what the rest of the Force thought and if it was liked we'd switch"

I don't recall a time when AF leadership cared about what the members thought of a possible uniform change.  I was in during the McPeak days and saw the dress uniform go from military to USAir pilot. 

/Rant
The CMSAF came and spoke at my Airman Leadership School class as was field testing the new service uniform.  Everyone in the class hated it and told him (the white stripes, no collar brass, stripes on sleeves for officer rank, no name tag, etc) that is looked like crap and not a military uniform.  His response was "this is the uniform we are going with and you don't have to like it but you will have to wear it."  Pure leadership there.  He then went on to berate on of my classmates because he didn't want to join the NCO club because he didn't have the money for the dues.  The CMSAF response to that was, "get a part-time job or get promoted.  If you aren't a member of the NCO club you are basically a dirt bag Airman."  Yes, the CMSAF called someone a dirt bag Airman in front of about 20 people for not joining the NCO club.  /Rant over

If it's the one I'm thinking of, he was a prime example of all the wrongs with the SAC-itude....


Well the timeline is pretty solidly right pre-McPeak uniform.
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