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Mordecai
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« on: September 06, 2017, 01:13:22 PM »

http://createsend.com/t/d-B542AFA99BB6476B

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Dear Cyber Houston Community,
There is an urgent need for 75-100 IT volunteers of all skill levels who can help in getting 128 HISD locations up and running before September 11.
For example, volunteers are needed for simple things like checking if PCs power up; to checking network routers, switches, firewalls; to more advanced system administration tasks.
We need help starting on Wednesday 9/6 thru Sun 9/10 between the hours of 8a - 8p (minimum 3 hour blocks). Whatever help you can provide between these hours on these days would be greatly appreciated.
If you are available to volunteer, please reply to this email with your name, contact information, days and hours you are available, and a few bullets listing your IT skills. You may also call Liz Batlle at 713.255.4853 or Akhtar Samani at 713.255.4831 with your information.
In any case, please forward this email to your friends and family requesting them to volunteer, if they can.
A separate email will be sent out to those who do volunteer, letting them know of the meeting location and time on Wednesday.
With appreciation,
MacKenzie Blankenship
CyberHouston

These are areas where we could in fact (should we train to standards) get first line IT support into areas and help bring systems online after a disaster.
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Commo
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2017, 01:43:09 PM »

Ummm...

Whose systems are you anticipating CAP would help bring online?

Local business?  Government?  Banks?

I cannot imagine this being workable in any fashion for regular business.  I don't know what this "CyberHouston" group is... maybe this could work for a volunteer organization calling their volunteers, but that would still be workers in "their" organization.  No business, or any organization, can provide access to "helpful volunteers" to their servers, network gear, customer information, sales records, etc.

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etodd
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 01:58:43 PM »

He mentioned 128 HISD locations so I guess its schools:  The Houston Independent School District is the largest public school system in Texas.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 02:01:35 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 02:09:59 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

That, and some real,world class potential for serious data compromises and associated deep pocket liability.
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Mordecai
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 02:29:04 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 02:35:25 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?
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Mordecai
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 02:36:11 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 02:38:23 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
U.S. Code Title 10 and 36 contain our only "mandates".  Neither contain any mention of cyber.
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Mordecai
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 02:40:41 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
U.S. Code Title 10 and 36 contain our only "mandates".  Neither contain any mention of cyber.
Guess we better break out the stone knives and bearskins then and chuck computers!
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 02:47:37 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
U.S. Code Title 10 and 36 contain our only "mandates".  Neither contain any mention of cyber.
Guess we better break out the stone knives and bearskins then and chuck computers!
Or maybe just stay in our lane and focus on things that are reasonably within our capabilities; not what we wish were our capabilities.
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Mordecai
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 02:53:34 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
U.S. Code Title 10 and 36 contain our only "mandates".  Neither contain any mention of cyber.
Guess we better break out the stone knives and bearskins then and chuck computers!
Or maybe just stay in our lane and focus on things that are reasonably within our capabilities; not what we wish were our capabilities.
We have plenty of IT people who have this as something within their capabilities. But since we keep "staying in our lane" and not enhancing our capability set we are rapidly getting ORM'd and droned out of a job.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 03:01:16 PM »

You need to prove that statement.  I work in "IT" (including data security) and know a lot of people in "IT".  "IT" is a big world.  Most don't have the skill set needed to fulfill cyber security roles; it's a niche skill set.  What's more, a lot of the "IT" people I know want little to do with it outside their workplace.   Take a look at the number of hack/crap/outdated squadron websites we have floating around in the wild.  It doesn't exactly speak to an abundance of reliable, skilled, and engaged IT resources floating around our organization.

No one will argue the organization needs to evolve much quicker than it has but that doesn't give us the freedom to go and do whatever we want.  Leadership needs to provide strategic direction with blessing of Congress and our partner agencies, namely the U.S. Air Force.  Then we can move forward and fulfill a mandate.  Wanting something doesn't necessarily make it a good fit for our actual capabilities.   Be realistic.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 03:16:25 PM »

You need to prove that statement.  I work in IT (including data security) and know a lot of people in IT.  Most don't have the capabilities needed. 


+ 0b11111111

I am also in IT, and also including data security, and there are many people in IT who do not have those capabilities.  For some, that's not their focus.  For many others, who should have the capabilities... either 1) do not when they should, or 2) cannot function when outside a controlled environment of a datacenter or wiring closet.

I worked for a wireless carrier when Katrina hit, and we had to fly one of our teammembers down to be our hands-on networking guy as we scrambled to get something up... ANYTHING up...  to restore and improve cell service for both first responders and residents.  Many of the local technicians were either nowhere to be found, or not capable in the areas we needed them.

Ironically... the teammember that we sent relocated to Houston a few years ago, and his new house was completed last summer.  (They are okay, especially relative to everyone else.  "Just a little water", his wife said.)

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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2017, 03:41:47 PM »

You need to prove that statement.  I work in "IT" (including data security) and know a lot of people in "IT".  "IT" is a big world.  Most don't have the skill set needed to fulfill cyber security roles; it's a niche skill set.  What's more, a lot of the "IT" people I know want little to do with it outside their workplace.   Take a look at the number of hack/crap/outdated squadron websites we have floating around in the wild.  It doesn't exactly speak to an abundance of reliable, skilled, and engaged IT resources floating around our organization.

No one will argue the organization needs to evolve much quicker than it has but that doesn't give us the freedom to go and do whatever we want.  Leadership needs to provide strategic direction with blessing of Congress and our partner agencies, namely the U.S. Air Force.  Then we can move forward and fulfill a mandate.  Wanting something doesn't necessarily make it a good fit for our actual capabilities.   Be realistic.

Yep.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2017, 03:45:06 PM »

You guys could fight about the meaning of the word "is".

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2017, 03:47:46 PM »

You guys could fight about the meaning of the word "is".
What do you mean "fight"?
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2017, 03:52:46 PM »

You guys could fight about the meaning of the word "is".
What do you mean "fight"?

Perhaps "argue in a semantic fashion" is more accurate than "fight."
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2017, 04:24:17 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
U.S. Code Title 10 and 36 contain our only "mandates".  Neither contain any mention of cyber.

Doesn't mean that the law can't change.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2017, 05:14:06 PM »

This thread and the ones about using drones ..... CAP trying to find new niches and relevance.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2017, 05:15:10 PM »

You guys could fight about the meaning of the word "is".
What do you mean "fight"?

Perhaps "argue in a semantic fashion" is more accurate than "fight."
:clap:    Is semantic fashion similar to high fashion?
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2017, 05:16:29 PM »

Nice idea, not workable for CAP, far outside its mandate and mission.

Pretty sure it works within our mandate to promote cyber power.
And where exactly is that "mandate"?

"Supporting America's communities with emergency response, diverse aviation and ground services, youth development, and promotion of air, space and cyber power."
U.S. Code Title 10 and 36 contain our only "mandates".  Neither contain any mention of cyber.

Doesn't mean that the law can't change.

In our current dead locked congress? Good luck!
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