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etodd
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« on: July 26, 2017, 07:06:40 PM »

CAP Cadet on a solo flight. Handled the situation perfectly and attempted to land on a road. Cadet is fine. Major damage to the CAP glider.

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DEATSVILLE, AL (WSFA) -
A 16-year-old pilot landed in a residential area while operating a glider Friday, according to the Millbrook Police Department.

The boy, whose name has not been released, was not seriously injured in the incident, according to Chief P.K. Johnson. There were no other reported injuries, and no other property besides the glider was damaged.

"This young man was very fortunate, as were the residents in the area," Johnson said. "I believe had he not quickly assessed his situation and realized that he was not going to make it back to Wetumpka Airport, we very well could be discussing a tragedy."

The crash landing happened between the roadway and a residence in the 300 block of Fraley Lane in Deatsville. When the boy lost altitude, he made the decision to attempt a crash landing.

The boy was reportedly flying towards the Wetumpka Airport when he realized he wasn't going to make it. According to a statement he gave police, the boy initially looked for a vacant field to make a safe landing.

After seeing nowhere else to land, the boy told authorities he was forced to use trees to slow his decent into a residential area. During that descent, the glider struck a power line, briefly knocking out power in the area.

"I'm very impressed that the young man was concerned about causing harm to others, especially when you consider that he was in danger of being injured or worse," Johnson said. "That speaks highly of both his training as a pilot and his character."

Johnson said the power line was knocked down onto the road, temporarily blocking it. That road has since been cleared, according to police.

http://www.wsfa.com/story/35942255/16-year-old-pilot-crash-lands-glider-in-deatsville
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 08:50:14 PM »

Where did you find the fact that this was a CAP member and a CAP glider? There's nothing at all in the link you posted.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 09:07:47 PM »

Where did you find the fact that this was a CAP member and a CAP glider? There's nothing at all in the link you posted.

Yes, thankfully the news reporter did not add that to the story. Alabama Wing stood down all transportation this week while having special called safety meetings. Just as a good measure. Nothing but good comments on how the Cadet handled the situation. :)
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 09:53:44 PM »

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/07/let-l23-super-blanik-n342ba-civil-air.html

Not a lot of information out there of note other than the excellent decision making by the young pilot.  Kudos to the cadet, and kudos to his instructor.   :clap:  The image suggests it was a low energy event, with the aircraft under control throughout.   :clap:
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 09:57:59 PM »

Where did you find the fact that this was a CAP member and a CAP glider? There's nothing at all in the link you posted.

Yes, thankfully the news reporter did not add that to the story. Alabama Wing stood down all transportation this week while having special called safety meetings. Just as a good measure. Nothing but good comments on how the Cadet handled the situation. :)

FOUO just escapes you doesn't it?
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 10:11:07 PM »


FOUO just escapes you doesn't it?

What's FOUO about a week old event posted on the NTSB website, The Kathryn's Report, and the N number in the published in the FAA registry?  Wouldn't information pertinent to the event be disseminated widely in wing wide safety stand down as described?  Among those 'in the know' would be parents and others to whom 'OPSEC' is a foreign word?.  Just curious how we can learn from this event if we wrap it up in thick brown paper, stamp it as FOUO, and chortle at pulling a fast one on the pesky reporter who didn't tell the whole truth and nothing but as he or she covered the story. 
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etodd
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 10:48:50 PM »


FOUO just escapes you doesn't it?

What's FOUO about a week old event posted on the NTSB website, The Kathryn's Report, and the N number in the published in the FAA registry?  Wouldn't information pertinent to the event be disseminated widely in wing wide safety stand down as described?  Among those 'in the know' would be parents and others to whom 'OPSEC' is a foreign word?.  Just curious how we can learn from this event if we wrap it up in thick brown paper, stamp it as FOUO, and chortle at pulling a fast one on the pesky reporter who didn't tell the whole truth and nothing but as he or she covered the story.

Thanks for the voice of reason. Some of the folks here just tickle me.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 11:07:25 AM »

Haven't you thought that maybe the reporter not including CAP in the story was because the Wing was able to convince that reporter the issue was FOUO?

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Wouldn't information pertinent to the event be disseminated widely in wing wide safety stand down as described? 


And is CAPTalk an organism for wing wide safety? What happened to The Beacon? Why don't you mention it?
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etodd
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 04:41:58 PM »

Haven't you thought that maybe the reporter not including CAP in the story was because the Wing was able to convince that reporter the issue was FOUO?



Good grief Folks.  This wasn't some black ops mission. This was a 'kid' flying solo for some fun.  Some of you folks need to chill out, take your overly starched uniforms off, and go fishing. Have a few brews. LOL

If some little minor incident like this has the CAP leadership controlling the media, and having them suppress facts ... well we have some things to worry about. I doubt that happened. The reporter most likely just saw it was a 'kid' flying and 'military' didn't even enter her mind.

The media covers nearly every Air Force plane that goes down. Front page news. Several here in the last few months. What in the world makes you folks think our little glider is some super secret operation?   :o
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 04:42:18 PM »

Haven't you thought that maybe the reporter not including CAP in the story was because the Wing was able to convince that reporter the issue was FOUO?

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Wouldn't information pertinent to the event be disseminated widely in wing wide safety stand down as described? 


And is CAPTalk an organism for wing wide safety? What happened to The Beacon? Why don't you mention it?

So, the very public nature of NTSB reports, and web publication on the Kathryn's report which  receives wide spread viewing, and the FAA registration which  is totally public is now closely held corporate information???  How is this somehow "FOUO"?  What's "FOUO" about a civil aircraft accident that involves a glider accident successfully landed off airport by a novice pilot (discounting the dents and damage to the aircraft!), where no injuries and no fatalities resulted?  Area 51 wasn't involved, nor was the infamous P-40.  According to the OP, the Wing conducted a post event safety stand down - which IMHO was a great idea.  Perhaps we're over reaching a bit on OPSEC here.  You mentioned The Beacon.  Voila'!  We now have another aspect of the safety discussion as added value to daylighting this event.  Kudos for your additional insight and contribution to the conversation!  :)
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 10:15:26 PM »

I would tell why this was FOUO but the reason is classified.   >:D
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 10:41:18 PM »

Haven't you thought that maybe the reporter not including CAP in the story was because the Wing was able to convince that reporter the issue was FOUO?


If I were the reporter and a Wing PAO tried to convince me that a glider incident -- resolved successfully and publicly -- involving a cadet pilot was FOUO and that I should leave CAP out of it, after I stopped laughing I would immediately file a sidebar story about the Wing trying to suppress the details of the story.

The reporter clearly just plain didn't know that.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2017, 12:25:21 PM »


FOUO just escapes you doesn't it?

What's FOUO about a week old event posted on the NTSB website, The Kathryn's Report, and the N number in the published in the FAA registry?  Wouldn't information pertinent to the event be disseminated widely in wing wide safety stand down as described?  Among those 'in the know' would be parents and others to whom 'OPSEC' is a foreign word?.  Just curious how we can learn from this event if we wrap it up in thick brown paper, stamp it as FOUO, and chortle at pulling a fast one on the pesky reporter who didn't tell the whole truth and nothing but as he or she covered the story.

As PHall pointed out, there is zero mention of CAP in the OP's article itself, nor any images of the aircraft in the article posted.
The OP used internal CAP information to fill in the blanks and also discuss other internal CAP matters. 

There is nothing to "learn" here until the final report has been complied by the NTSB, until then no one has any idea what really happened and
therefore no action can be taken to remediate, mitigate,  or "learn" anything.

Gliders make off-field landings hundreds, if not thousands of times a year, it's considered "part of the game", and trained for,
so on that level this isn't really even a story.   Beyond that, it's not for random members to be releasing details that
news outlets were smart enough to know probably weren't baked enough to release (yet).
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etodd
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2017, 02:26:17 PM »

.... Beyond that, it's not for random members to be releasing details that
news outlets were smart enough to know probably weren't baked enough to release (yet).

Details? What details?  Other than quoting the news article this is all I added. Facts that are NOT in question:

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CAP Cadet on a solo flight. Handled the situation perfectly and attempted to land on a road. Cadet is fine. Major damage to the CAP glider.

All GOOD news .... happy news.

Some of you folks just have a bit too much starch in your uniform.

This was a kid in a glider .... not some super secret black ops operation some of you folks like to imagine you are involved with.  ::)

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