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FlyNavy
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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2017, 05:25:47 PM »

Never blouse those again.

Ever.

I think it actually looks pretty good in my opinion. To each his/her own.
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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2017, 05:48:24 PM »

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How do you know the sixth person isn't aircrew?


You are right, I do not know. I was making a guess.

But if he is aircrew, then more fuel to my post.

Which I will repost with the premise you opened. That is, all six are aircrew.

The photo does not count as argument against "blousing pants when wearing Polos." Since all are aircrew, they most probably do not know about the needs for ground crew to blouse their pants into the boots.
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2017, 09:34:19 PM »

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How do you know the sixth person isn't aircrew?


You are right, I do not know. I was making a guess.

But if he is aircrew, then more fuel to my post.

Which I will repost with the premise you opened. That is, all six are aircrew.

The photo does not count as argument against "blousing pants when wearing Polos." Since all are aircrew, they most probably do not know about the needs for ground crew to blouse their pants into the boots.

Why do ground teams need to blouse their pants?
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2017, 10:23:23 PM »

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How do you know the sixth person isn't aircrew?


You are right, I do not know. I was making a guess.

But if he is aircrew, then more fuel to my post.

Which I will repost with the premise you opened. That is, all six are aircrew.

The photo does not count as argument against "blousing pants when wearing Polos." Since all are aircrew, they most probably do not know about the needs for ground crew to blouse their pants into the boots.

No one has picked out the 'brown' hiking shoes, brown belt on the fellow in the middle of the photo. When you're the boss, you can do as you like. ;)
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2017, 10:42:05 PM »

No one has picked out the 'brown' hiking shoes, brown belt on the fellow in the middle of the photo.

(The gent in the middle is wearing improper footwear).
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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2017, 10:58:05 PM »

No one has picked out the 'brown' hiking shoes, brown belt on the fellow in the middle of the photo.

(The gent in the middle is wearing improper footwear).

Ah. Missed it. He flew in that day to see how the mission was going. The boss can do what he wants, and wear what he wants. The perks of office.
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2017, 11:16:17 PM »

Ah. Missed it. He flew in that day to see how the mission was going. The boss can do what he wants, and wear what he wants. The perks of office.

Boss? The NHQ/CV isn't in the chain of Command for anyone buy HQ staff, and stars, especially, should set the proper example.
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2017, 07:41:28 AM »

Here's what they end up looking like:





A for enthusiasm, but an F for compliance.  The polo combination uniform is not intended nor specified to be bloused, regardless of the pants worn.  If wearing grey BDU pants, then get them pressed and cut the blousing straps out.   Using the excuse that it's OK to blouse a non-blouse uniform just because the pants happen to have blousing straps is a goober move causing the respect-o-meter to take a serious hit.
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2017, 10:51:53 AM »


A for enthusiasm, but an F for compliance.  The polo combination uniform is not intended nor specified to be bloused, regardless of the pants worn.  If wearing grey BDU pants, then get them pressed and cut the blousing straps out.   Using the excuse that it's OK to blouse a non-blouse uniform just because the pants happen to have blousing straps is a goober move causing the respect-o-meter to take a serious hit.


I'll do it - cite please.


BDU pants come LONG. Even with straps removed, they'd need quite a bit of alteration.


That said, I've only worn it twice - the time I took pictures, and the time I didn't have enough time to go home, shave and get into BBDUs/Aviator setup time.
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2017, 11:12:36 AM »


A for enthusiasm, but an F for compliance.  The polo combination uniform is not intended nor specified to be bloused, regardless of the pants worn.  If wearing grey BDU pants, then get them pressed and cut the blousing straps out.   Using the excuse that it's OK to blouse a non-blouse uniform just because the pants happen to have blousing straps is a goober move causing the respect-o-meter to take a serious hit.


I'll do it - cite please.


BDU pants come LONG. Even with straps removed, they'd need quite a bit of alteration.


That said, I've only worn it twice - the time I took pictures, and the time I didn't have enough time to go home, shave and get into BBDUs/Aviator setup time.


I'd like to see the cite too, but, I have worn this combo a number of times and didn't need to blouse them. Cost me a whole 5 bucks to have the alterations lady at the cleaners shorten them.

LTC Don, the polo combination's real name is the Corporate Working Uniform. Changed with the last revision of the 39-1. This is a work uniform now, not a "business" uniform.
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2017, 11:25:18 AM »

Is someone keeping a spreadsheet on how many prospective members CT has run off over the years?
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2017, 11:29:07 AM »

It's also not a field uniform, and you can't cite a negative, which is the point - no where in the regs can you find any comment
or suggestion that these are supposed to be BDU pants, or that they should be bloused.

I've said before that there's nothing wrong with wearing this occasionally for being on a Ground team, but if you're in an environment
that actually requires bloused trousers, you should be in a real field uniform.

If you find yourself standing in ankle-deep water, or with the risk of critters running up your legs in this uniform, something went wrong, either
"force majeure", or more likely your planning.
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2017, 12:35:08 PM »

Nowhere in the regs can you find they are not to be worn by ground teams. or at least I did not find it. And every now and then I read the regs that concern me again!

What is the use of having a work uniform if you cannot take it to the field?!! What is the use of using this uniform as a ground team if it cannot be bloused? Because as a Ground Team Member you may end with critters. Otherwise just state it is for UDF and not for GTMs.
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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2017, 12:36:22 PM »

So if I get my Polo, I will blouse it into the boots.

Blousing a polo into your boots would look awfully strange, don't you think?
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2017, 12:36:49 PM »

Nowhere in the regs can you find they are not to be worn by ground teams. or at least I did not find it. And every now and then I read the regs that concern me again!

What is the use of having a work uniform if you cannot take it to the field?!! What is the use of using this uniform as a ground team if it cannot be bloused? Because as a Ground Team Member you may end with critters. Otherwise just state it is for UDF and not for GTMs.

We do have uniforms which mitigate these issues...
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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2017, 12:45:54 PM »

Nowhere in the regs can you find they are not to be worn by ground teams. or at least I did not find it. And every now and then I read the regs that concern me again!

What is the use of having a work uniform if you cannot take it to the field?!! What is the use of using this uniform as a ground team if it cannot be bloused? Because as a Ground Team Member you may end with critters. Otherwise just state it is for UDF and not for GTMs.

Being a "work" uniform simply means it's not formal like the whites or blues, it doesn't necessarily mean it's appropriate for general field use,
other then in a pinch, same goes for what used to be referred to as "utilities" before they designated the dark blue, non-Nomex CFDU as a FDU.

CAP has plenty of "work" situations that have nothing to do with ES - PT nights, AEX days, working a (dry) flight line, encampments, and of course
the ICP at a mission where these days just about every other agency is going to be in a golf shirt.

The argument as been made (though frankly it's a little silly), that the BDU is required equipment "on your person" for a Ground Team, so
if you prescribe to that, you'd have to carry one with you regardless of what you are wearing.

At the last eval we had a gent who was basically roused from bed to lead a GT - he did not expect to be in the field at all as he was there to fly and and already
xported an aircraft that AM.  All he had was the golf shirt / Tac pants, so he made due, but had he expected to be in the field BDU / ABU / CFU would have been the
more appropriate uniform.
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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2017, 12:53:34 PM »

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Blousing a polo into your boots would look awfully strange, don't you think?


So if I get my Polo uniform, I will blouse pants it into the boots.

 ;)

Reposted in an expanded way for the benefit of the gentlemen who cannot read between lines...

 >:D


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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2017, 01:03:47 PM »



So, which shade of the pants shown above is "medium gray?"
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2017, 01:16:53 PM »

I would say that shown by the gents in number 3 and 5 positions since they are in the "middle" of the gray scale shown by all the gents in the photo. Thus that is "medium" gray...
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« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2017, 01:19:42 PM »



So, which shade of the pants shown above is "medium gray?"

Yes.
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